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Satyr6406 -> Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 7:56:31 AM)
I was speaking to a friend, the other day. She's a submissive and she had an issue with a "master" that she was in service to. It seems that this "master" wouldn't know the truth if it bit him, on the ass. I couldn't understand why she was so upset. She has told me, in the past, that she is ONLY attracted to dominant males and females. If they're not dominant, she can't serve. My answer (which is pretty succinct, to me) is that if the guy is a liar, how can he be a "master". He hasn't even mastered reality, yet? So, here's my post: Be it resolved (and please give me more than a "Yes" or "No" answer): if a person is a liar, they canNOT be a dominant? Have at it!

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 7:59:15 AM)
False. Being a dominant just means that a person is a dominant. They might be a dork dumbass loser asshole dominant, but they are still a dominant nonetheless. And someone's dork dumbass loser asshole dom is always anothers prince charming wonderful dom.

MistressYlwa -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:04:56 AM)
Truth or lies, neither has anything to do with dominance. Dominance is a state of being. Lying is an action. While there is not room for liars, in my life, I have met dominants who lie. Doesn't make them less of a dominant. Just less of a person.

juliaoceania -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:09:52 AM)
I agree with the responses you have received so far, they would not be a dom that I would want, but they are still a dom. If someone is bisexual and they lie, they are still bisexual. Orientation has nothing to do with values or integrity.

SusanofO -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:10:49 AM)
She's attracted to his personality - for whatever reason - even though he's a liar. Telling her he'd not a "legit Dominant" (and I agree, he's not - at least not in my book) isn't probably going to make much of a dent. But maybe when he really hurts her emotionally, that will do the trick. Some folks just gotta learn the hard way, probably. Nice of you to be concerned, though, I think. - Susan

thetammyjo -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:12:53 AM)
Being honest or being truthful or being a liar is not the same as personality type or relationship role. Frankly someone who is with a person they cannot trust and whom they complain about being a liar, better go look in the mirror and see where part of the problem lies -- in them for being with somene they cannot trust.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:37:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Satyr6406 I was speaking to a friend, the other day. She's a submissive and she had an issue with a "master" that she was in service to. It seems that this "master" wouldn't know the truth if it bit him, on the ass. I couldn't understand why she was so upset. She has told me, in the past, that she is ONLY attracted to dominant males and females. If they're not dominant, she can't serve. My answer (which is pretty succinct, to me) is that if the guy is a liar, how can he be a "master". He hasn't even mastered reality, yet? So, here's my post: Be it resolved (and please give me more than a "Yes" or "No" answer): if a person is a liar, they canNOT be a dominant? Have at it! Not true. We're human. I lie. In fact, everyone does...whether we like it or not, if we're honest, we have to admit that lying IS in our moral code (no, those jeans don't make you look fat). But, since most people are unwilling to admit they lie...they are then liars. Heh. Convoluted, isn't it? Masters are not perfect, nor should they be expected to be. Going into a relationship with this expectation of either your partner or you dooms the relationship. Eventually, that person will fall off their pedestal and you will be disappointed. If this is really a big issue for her (malicious lies are to me), she needs to reevaluate the relationship. Master Fire Master Fire

domiguy -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:49:51 AM)
quote: LA They might be a dork dumbass loser asshole dominant That was the "name" on my initial CM profile. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

DaDasBiLilFaerie -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:56:11 AM)
I have had plenty of dominants lie to me, so I don't think that has anything to do with it. That would be like saying a female, or male couldn't lie. It's not what you do, its who you are. You can be a dominant and not be trustworthy, the morals don't come with the title.

toservez -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:56:35 AM)
Dominant does not equal perfect. Dominants and subs are no different then any other human beings on this planet and character flaws can be found in most people. For most of us they are hopefully very small and irrelevant. No one is perfect and as thread after thread preaches, a person can be this if they are also this. For people with major character flaws it comes down to if the other person cares or can put up with it. It does not invalidate the relationship or the dynamic in it.

mnottertail -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 8:57:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: LA They might be a dork dumbass loser asshole dominant That was the "name" on my initial CM profile. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers. I liked the way you shortened it, shows a real flair, I think. Ron

Kondolinni -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 9:00:56 AM)
Here, here! MasterFire, I really enjoy some of your posts. A lot of truth therein, on occassion, and a mind set I find myself in agreement with more often than not. Everyone lies. Asking someone if they lie is the easiest way to spot a liar. The guy is a Dom. He may also be a fuck-ass dip-stick, but he's a Dom. You want to back door this guy, I suggest you consider a different tak. By throwing up the guy's falsehoods to the girl you want (or want to protect), you place yourself in the position, should she follow up on your advise with this guy, of having to never ever let her catch you in even the whitest of lies. To do so would put the stamp of hypocracy on every other aspect of your dealings with her.

TreSwank -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 9:01:55 AM)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fxrd_jZJxkg

PsyVamp -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 9:29:54 AM)
Now I think THAT says it all about people who are manipulative liers. But like MasterFire said, everybody tells a lie at some point. [sm=evil.gif]

dawntreader -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 9:49:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreSwank http://youtube.com/watch?v=fxrd_jZJxkg Sweeet little song [:)]

sub4hire -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 9:59:17 AM)
It depend's upon your definition of dominant. If your definition means someone who can be trusted then no he cannot be a dominant. If trust is not an issue where your life is involved then sure he could be a dominant. Bottom line if someone lies about something small and gets away with it. They then start to fabricate larger and larger lies. If you were their submissive, how would you determine the difference? Would it ever grow so large your life could be in danger? We've had people here posting on the boards having a female and a male profile over time. At the time it was brought out. Some people here were revolted. Some let it slide. Some of those same people posing as both sexes are still here and well respected now. I think most people think if the lie doesn't hurt too many people it is ok to lie. Myself, I personally don't believe that way.

Squeakers -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 10:15:08 AM)
I don't think lying has anything to do with it. I think to a point everyone lies. I really think it depends on what the extent of the lie is. What did this guy lie about? If he is 50 years old, 300 pounds and is 5'2 and never married, but he claims he is tall, young, well built with no baggage, that might make him an InstaDom---just add a computer, because I doubt he'd ever venture into any real time settings where the proof of his claims could be easily seen. However, I have had people claim that my Dom was a liar and not really a Dom because his beliefs in the lifestyle did not follow the beliefs of someone else. And I think I was told at one time by someone that my Dom would not know the truth if it came up and bit him based simply on his beliefs. So what was the lie---enquiring minds want to know or at least I do.

BitaTruble -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 10:38:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Satyr6406 So, here's my post: Be it resolved (and please give me more than a "Yes" or "No" answer): if a person is a liar, they canNOT be a dominant? Have at it! Here's an experiment for you to try. Change the word 'dominant' to Master or Mistress and ask the question again. Celeste

toservez -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 11:05:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble Here's an experiment for you to try. Change the word 'dominant' to Master or Mistress and ask the question again. Celeste Pretty please do not! It was nice reading a thread of this nature that was arrogant free.

Wildfleurs -> RE: Interesting topic? (2/6/2007 11:57:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Satyr6406 So, here's my post: Be it resolved (and please give me more than a "Yes" or "No" answer): if a person is a liar, they canNOT be a dominant? Have at it! I'm going to probably be echoing a lot of posts but I think someone can be a dominant (or a master or mistress) and be a liar. Liar has to do with moral codes, and hell at the end of the day I believe that everyone lies to some degree (whether its about having finished that report on time at work or how butt ugly someones baby actually is)... its a function of whether our level of lies matches the person we are with. So I think someone can be a dominant and a liar, sure. C~

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