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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 12:49:00 PM   
Wulfchyld


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Now that the weathers all shitty.
I was wondering what kind of modern materials  would be good for building a home
to replace the one you just lost,
both cheaply and strong enough to possibly save your ass the next time a bad storm hits.

Any idea's?


Use screws not nails.
 
A straw bail home made with welded steel frame would be the best. It gives you an R-50 insulation and the welded frame, done well, will withstand extremely high winds, even tornado conditions. Make sure the eves can breathe, or are very narrow. 

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 1:00:21 PM   
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Uh Oh!  Drank a few beers and ate a burrito last night....Feel an "F5" will be blowing out of me ass soon!...watch CNN for details....First major tornado to hit Chicago!

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 1:29:07 PM   
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I've always wondered about people who choose to live in areas like tornado alleys.  Granted, it may be cheaper, but seriously, what fun can it be to fear for life and home, and get to rebuild every few years?

Hey!  We haven't had a tornado in 5 weeks!  It must be all clear!  Let's set up another toothpick house! *WHOOOOOSH*

Oh.  Fuck.

Yours,


benji


I would rather go through a tornado or hurricane than an earthquake.

In fact, San Francisco is a ticking time bomb. I was watching a documentary on the discovery channel a few months ago and they said a 7.0 or higher quake near San Fran will lead to catastrophic destruction and a gigantic death toll. The way the city is designed and build is going to make it nearly impossible for government or emergency services to get to certain parts of the city for a very long time. Houses build on cliffs or hills will topple like dominos. Skyscrapers are built on unsteady ground. Flooding will also be out of control. Why did they build it that way? Because they didn't ever believe such a thing could happen. And when you ask someone from that area if they are worried about earthquakes, most will just laugh it off and pretend it will never happen EVEN THOUGH a big quake hit in 1988 and then again 1996. Geologists say it is inevitable that a major quake (7.0 or higher) will hit that area sometime within the next 30 years.
And earthquakes give no warning whatsoever. Not only that but you have to worry about aftershocks. In a tornado, it is over in seconds and it's gone.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 2:59:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sticking my nose back into this and going past "naders"  Part of the reason some of these natural distasters are so disasterous is that people don't use common sense.  Build in a flood plain and its likely that you will get flooded at some point.  Build along the coast and sooner or later you are either going to get a hurricane, tidal wave or some such thing.  Build on a pile of rubble like SF did and you are building on an unstable base that will turn into mush in an earthquake. 

Interesting that the French Quarter in NOLA made it through while those who kept building closer and closer to the ocean didn't.  Maybe people had a little more respect for nature back then?

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 5:48:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasDom

Now that the weathers all shitty.
I was wondering what kind of modern materials  would be good for building a home
to replace the one you just lost,
both cheaply and strong enough to possibly save your ass the next time a bad storm hits.

Any idea's?


The only way i can think of to withstand a direct hit from a tornado would be to build underground, like a bomb shelter.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 6:13:53 PM   
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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 6:33:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look at OCF insulated concrete forming style houses. R30 walls, fast construction very soundproof. Metal standing seam roof. Near impervious and fairly fireproof.

They also make a film now that can be applied to windows that will stop most damage, but a good set of functional shutters is a better bet.
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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 6:56:12 PM   
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reinforced steel, concrete homes are a safe bet in a storm.


sophia37:
I was involved in the construction of a ferro-concrete dome structure when I was in school.  It was 30' high and 60' in diameter.  The walls were about  2 inches thick  and it was built similar to the building of a ferro-concrete boat.  Rebar with wire mesh wired to  both sides of the rebar.  It was calculated to be stable in any wind condition because of its shape and rigidity.  The construction cost per square foot were competitive with standard construction practices but getting it certified by any building code was on the order of certifying a new passenger aircraft (when the weight of the paperwork is equal to the weight of the aircraft it will be certified)  It was a fun project and it made me more than a little sad to see it dismantled and hauled to the landfill.
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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 10:11:05 PM   
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Geodesics are out of favor with the Birkenstock crowd...they would be the best bet for cheapest to stand up in a tornado.

Bucky Fuller



I read about a guy in New Mexico who took used car tires, placed them in a circle, filled them with concrete, let it harden, repeat, and had it gradually grow to a center keypiece.

Covered it with adobe.

Stays the same temperature year round.

Except for the adobe part, I imagine the house would be tornado proof.

Sinergy

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 10:17:57 PM   
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My memory may be wrong on this, but I seem to recall that brick construction was recommended for tornado areas.  Since that's fairly expensive, it was recommended that an interior room like a large closet was built with brick, so it could be used as a tornado shelter.

Typically the technology is there to build homes that will withstand nature's onslaughts; but one of the factors in it not happening more than it does is the cost involved in doing it that way.   After all, if you can afford to build a brick wall mobile home type building, a buyer is likely to just buy a bigger home.


The primary problem with tornado areas is not necessarily the construction of the house.  It is the depth of the frost line and the difficulty of digging below it (10 or so feet) makes it cost prohibitive.  Put down a cement foundation below the frost line, screw a normal wood house to it, probably will go through a tornado as houses are made to withstand significant amounts of weather.

You build a brick house and set it on the ground, a tornado will still move it.

Tornado alley in the United States has very few houses with foundations...

Sinergy

As for the comment about cliffs and beaches and people building their homes in idiotic places, witness the idiocy of rich people in California building on the hills above Malibu.  Every 2 years the place is gutted by a firestorm.  So they get reimbursed by their insurance company, and rebuild.  Rinse, repeat.

"We should not give starving people money and food, we should give them U-Hauls so we can take them where the food is.  See this?  It is sand, 2000 years ago it was sand, 1000 years from now it will still be sand.  GO TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!"  Sam Kinison.

Insert fire, earthquakes, floods, tornados, etc., any place you see the word sand.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 10:48:15 PM   
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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 10:51:20 PM   
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The primary problem with tornado areas is not necessarily the construction of the house.  It is the depth of the frost line and the difficulty of digging below it (10 or so feet) makes it cost prohibitive. 


Frost line in Okiville is 15"

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 10:56:52 PM   
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http://www.formworksbuilding.com/
http://www.monolithic.com/

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/3/2007 11:02:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasDom

Now that the weathers all shitty.
I was wondering what kind of modern materials  would be good for building a home
to replace the one you just lost,
both cheaply and strong enough to possibly save your ass the next time a bad storm hits.

Any idea's?


http://www.monolithic.com/disaster_resistance/hurricanes/index.html


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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/4/2007 5:12:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Other than underground...I don't know that anything is really safe from Tornados. But other than that, check the history of your area and see if there have ever been any major tornado strikes. I am a firm believer that the terrain has a lot to do with the probability of a tornado. When I lived in Omaha, it was either 72nd or 84th street that was considered tornado alley ("Susan of O" can clarify which for me). It never failed, that if the weather had the potential of creating a Tornado, this area of Omaha was the most likely to get hit...straight down the street too, like it was guided. It seems (to me) this holds true in other areas as well. I know it certainly isn't scientific without looking at a multitude of cases, but I would suspect if someone did a study..if there has been a tornado there once, it is likely there will be another one. I hope I'm right anyway..our house is around 105 years old and still here, so my theory is it will be here for another 105 years.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/4/2007 11:41:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		      Even though we live in what is generally considered more of an earthquake zone, we actually had a tiny (described as an F-0) tornado pass less than 1/4 mile from this house a few summers back.

     It doesn't seem to matter where you live, Mama Nature has some method at her disposal to trash you.  Underground homes might be good against the tornado, but how would it handle a flood?  Is there some type of construction that will survive a lava flow?  What sort of beachfront home is proof against tsunami?

    Live where you are happy, be as prepared as you can.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/4/2007 12:03:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Holland is very quick to try new materials and building techniques but none beat the traditional double brick and tiled pitch roof. If the house goes up thirty metres the foundations go down thirty metres which is expensive so its pointless building with cheap materials like you see in the US. In fact on many occasions it is cheaper to renovate and modernise houses than to pull them down and rebuild because of the expense of the foundations. Also it rains so much and the rain hangs in the air so cheap modern composite materials just deteriorate too fast.

I'm with Dtsemoac here. I couldn't believe what cheap building materials are used in the US, there are stronger garden sheds here. I can only assume the land is worth more than the building.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/4/2007 2:00:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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The primary problem with tornado areas is not necessarily the construction of the house.  It is the depth of the frost line and the difficulty of digging below it (10 or so feet) makes it cost prohibitive. 


Frost line in Okiville is 15"


Fair enough.

I read somewhere that the primary problem with housing in Tornado Alley are the lack of foundations on the houses.

Just me, could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/4/2007 2:14:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. It is cheap construction. Nails are cheaper than screws. Many houses get destroyed because of the eaves or overhangs. Construction companies build large eaves because of trends, and some do it to give the house a bigger look. A tornado really likes to grab a hold of eaves and rip them off.
 
My house turned a little over a hundred this year, it was moved to this property in 1911, so I can't get too specific. Every tornado season I send the family to safer pastures and watch the tornados cruise by. Many of the "live" tornado footage you see out of Oklahoma of forming tunnels, and those mean bastards tearing across farmland is filmed about 5 miles from my house. It is a very hot spot for some reason.
 
The worst that has happened here, my house, is a Tornado sucked the water out of the pool and went elsewhere to tear shit up.
 
Many miles away from me is the town of Tahlequah. It is a very unique tornado history. In Tornado season, and Tahlequah is put under a tornado watch, everyone goes to town. They wait inside the original city limits until it is over. I don't know if the story is on the net, I will google it later, and if it isn’t there I will post it here.

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RE: Modern living for tornado's - 2/5/2007 6:38:02 PM   
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Nope. It is cheap construction. Nails are cheaper than screws. Many houses get destroyed because of the eaves or overhangs. Construction companies build large eaves because of trends, and some do it to give the house a bigger look. A tornado really likes to grab a hold of eaves and rip them off.
 
My house turned a little over a hundred this year, it was moved to this property in 1911, so I can't get too specific. Every tornado season I send the family to safer pastures and watch the tornados cruise by. Many of the "live" tornado footage you see out of Oklahoma of forming tunnels, and those mean bastards tearing across farmland is filmed about 5 miles from my house. It is a very hot spot for some reason.
 
The worst that has happened here, my house, is a Tornado sucked the water out of the pool and went elsewhere to tear shit up.
 
Many miles away from me is the town of Tahlequah. It is a very unique tornado history. In Tornado season, and Tahlequah is put under a tornado watch, everyone goes to town. They wait inside the original city limits until it is over. I don't know if the story is on the net, I will google it later, and if it isn’t there I will post it here.


wulfchyld:
Not only are nails cheaper than screws but the nails from Korea I can bend with the fingers of one hand. Yes we are talking 16d green sinkers not box nails.  Total junque.
thompson

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