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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/1/2007 3:25:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I travel often for business, she is always with me. I want a drink and some food waiting for me when I get home - it's there. I want clean clothes - I have them. I want a very clean and organized home and property - she makes sure I have it.

I can require anything to be done for me, to me, or on my behalf day or night; and it gets done. There are many skills and abilities required of her. One thing NOT required is to consider how to fit in my requirements into a schedule set by someone else. Principal "someone else" would be an employer telling her she couldn't take off to join me on a trip, or used her energy for work making it difficult if not impossible to fulfill my selfish interests.

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Excellently put Merc. This is pretty much how Scooter sees it as well. I am available for any of his needs at any time. To him this is worth the expense of keeping me home.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/1/2007 3:53:00 PM   
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I am Master's full time carer and I don't have a job outside the home, but we each get a government pension so I do have an income. That said, I would love to be able to work, it just isn't possible. His health varies from day to day - some days He can hardly get out of bed and because He doesn't sleep much He will have days when He crashes out. I watch Him like a hawk to make sure His blood sugar doesn't drop too low, and that He eats something when He needs to.

I accompany Him to dialysis, clinic appointments, and the speedway. In fact the only times we are apart are when He's on dialysis, if I go to the gym for an hour, or if I have an appointment elsewhere though I do try and schedule those for when He's at the hospital.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 2:16:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		CD, you really did raise some hackles didnt ya hun? lmao First lemme say that CD and I have talked a whole lot since I have been on cm, we talk darn near daily and so I am quite comfortable in saying that he really wouldnt demean a woman who worked inside the home. So please dont think that.
 
I think a lot of why and how people end up upset in discussions about touchy subjects is they dont know the other people and arent sure of how to take comments or statements from them and so that tends to lead to feelings being riled etc...
 
LK, I dont think its fair to throw unmentionables into the mix because it is usually a given that if a woman comes with a child and is required to stay home and care for things within the home that the care of her unmentionable comes with it, or if she becomes pregnant that child is not only her responsibility. The cost of care I dont feel is a fair margin to compare either as an unmentionable does not have the capacity to even remotely be required to financially support a household so the two dont even strike me as remotely comparable.
 
A slave is added for someone elses ease in life no matter how or what that ease is. If you dont have the finances available to properly care for another person then by all means dont try it, work is a necessary evil to be able to maintain life. If you can provide for someone who is not a primary partner ( primary partner being husband/wife etc because those you can add to insurance etc ) good for you. The reality for most however is that with the rising costs of living most require two incomes to live comfortably. I see no shame in that, it beats living in a gutter run down place with no chance of ever getting a better quality of life.
 
to the OP, if someone who works is what you're looking for then find someone who works, dont let what someone else says effect the way you feel about your life. I cant afford to bring someone into my life that doesnt work either nor would I want to if I had the choice. For me personally it is a huge requirement that anyone I choose to be with to be responsible, and responsible to me means being able to hold a job and to care for himself, know what it means to live on his own and deal with everyday stuff of managing a home. Lets face it, no one is SuperWoman/Man we all end up leaning on someone at some point, be it to maintain a home, or to shoulder some of the brunt of running said home.... *shrugs* YMMV

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 2:35:01 AM   
Rule


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Status: offline 		I have no idea what the point of view of a domme is.
 
However: in a vanilla relationship the woman assesses the man as to his ability to provide for a family. If he cannot, then he is unfit as a mate in evolutionary terms. So her mate has to regurgitate for her the money that he earns.
 
I imagine that dommes demanding payment have the same objective. Makes sense to me, at least. So, in effect, their demand is a romantic demand.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 3:44:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul

For me personally it is a huge requirement that anyone I choose to be with to be responsible, and responsible to me means being able to hold a job and to care for himself, know what it means to live on his own and deal with everyday stuff of managing a home.


RF, the thing is a lot of us who are "kept" subs/slaves at one time could and did do this.
 
Yet at this point in time it is our owners choice that we stay home. At one point in time i had two jobs and a farm. My aliens left home, i sold the farm, i was on my own, traveling the country. Going back home, working for a bit, then out into the world again.
 
When i came here one of the requirements was that i stay home.
 
Being able to take care of yourself is one thing, insisting on doing so when it is your owners desire that you stay home is another.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 4:06:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul

For me personally it is a huge requirement that anyone I choose to be with to be responsible, and responsible to me means being able to hold a job and to care for himself, know what it means to live on his own and deal with everyday stuff of managing a home.


RF, the thing is a lot of us who are "kept" subs/slaves at one time could and did do this.
 
Yet at this point in time it is our owners choice that we stay home. At one point in time i had two jobs and a farm. My aliens left home, i sold the farm, i was on my own, traveling the country. Going back home, working for a bit, then out into the world again.
 
When i came here one of the requirements is that i stay home.
 
Being able to take care of yourself is one thing, insisting on doing so when it is your owners desire that you stay home is another.


well said, twice.  not all of us that DON'T get a paycheck CAN'T.  some folks, Master being one of them and Scooter appears to share the same view, value other stuff over having more money, or a nicer dwelling to live in or other posessions and this slave sees nothing wrong with that.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 4:39:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

well said, twice.  not all of us that DON'T get a paycheck CAN'T.  some folks, Master being one of them and Scooter appears to share the same view, value other stuff over having more money, or a nicer dwelling to live in or other posessions and this slave sees nothing wrong with that.


Thank you Mrs.Merc, i just am getting the feeling as i read a lot of the responses that because we do not bring home a pay check we are being viewed as being unable to. You put that very nicely.
 
You are right, like Merc it is more important to Scooter that i be here, at home, taking care of him, Jewel, the house and myself.
 
He does not want me worn or stressed out from doing both, he wants me available when and how he wants.
 
As another who is commanded to do this you realize as well as i just how important this is to our owners.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 4:46:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul

The reality for most however is that with the rising costs of living most require two incomes to live comfortably. I see no shame in that, it beats living in a gutter run down place with no chance of ever getting a better quality of life.



The only problem i have with the above is that i have heard it over and over again.  For the past 18 years i have been the sole financial support for me and my two unmentionables.  i do not have a college degree, my salary is a little less than mid 5-figures and never once did my unmentionables go without a decent home, necessities and even some luxuries.  To say a family needs two incomes is an insult to those single mothers and fathers who have had by necessity to support families with one income.

i for one have learned by this to treasure that which is not monetary.


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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 4:51:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Though i have not, up until this point, posted in this particular thread, i have posted in similar threads in the past. i have never thought, not do i know think that someone who doesn't work outside the home isn't carrying their weight or is doing so because they can't work outside the home, as i worked at home until my replicants hit about 10 or so. However, after having been married for 23 years and ending up with nothing at the end of the deal, having to go bankrupt shortly after the divorce in my 40's and with retirement in the not so distant future, my sense of security requires that i have the ability to earn and put aside money, because though i once thought the relationship that i was in was going to last until i died, i don't have that confidence any more. For those of you who do, i'm glad for you, i guess i just don't trust that much anymore.

Added to that, i also am currently financially supporting my elderly mom who also didn't save wisely for retirement and i don't want to be that kind of burden to my kids.

Will that mean that i am stretched more because of divided calls on my time and strength, yes. i guess that just means i am not a good candidate for someone who wishes His submissive/slave to be at home all the time.

So to me, it is not about having more, bigger, better, but it is about being wise and prudent. Can it be called lack of trust in the relationship and planning for its demise. i guess it could by some. The next relationship i enter, i plan on it lasting until i die, what i have learned however is that i can't control whether it will or not.

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** Editted to add an additional thought.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 7:40:43 AM   
Reflectivesoul


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Status: offline 		I never said those who dont have an income cant get one, I said that for me it is an important thing that people work. I never said that for ALL people 2 incomes are required I said for most. Demographically speaking this rings true where *I* am from, if its not the same for you, great, as I never said that what I have experienced is what everyone else has to have experienced.
 
Why is this such a sore subject with people? If you stay home and that works for you then thats awesome. There is a lot of work to be done in managing a home, making sure things get done, making sure it runs smoothly etc, I never said anything negative about that. So please before picking apart my post continues look at what I said not what feelings are ilicited because of what you feel I said.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 7:41:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyKimberly33

Okay to clear the situation some...I do work full time and always have, as does My husband. We put ourselves through school and have continued to improve our lives to the point I am comfortable with, not wealthy by any means but comfortable. We both make enough money that if we were to seperate, neither would be financially devastated.

We have discused many times if the slave should work out of the home or not. It is My/our opinion if he is able to manage the home from cleaning to maintenance, be a personal assistant and a playmate for Me he will more than earn his keep.

As of now we pay for dry cleaning, a house cleaning service, a lawn care service and grocery delivery for the convenience of it, because we do both work and choose to do so.  It does add up to quite a bit each month, and he should be able to replace these cost plus more, such as no more calling for take out because I am too tired to cook, because dinner will be waiting when I get home.

As you can see this is not the situation for everyone, if You wish your slave to work, by all means have him work

Lady Kimberly

I edit this to add

I do not see what would be wrong if I did not work and My husband had no problem with My slave not working. The slave makes life easier for us both, but is directly Mine. I could go to a deep dark place and ask if the wife does not work then, per CD, should she have permission to have a child, that is a much bigger expense in My eyes than a slave...


Actually, LK...that spot you just went to is not anywhere near the spot I am. 
A child is not a slave.  Most people understand that raising a child is not the same as introducing a full-grown, non-related adult whose duties and functions in no ways compare to the duties and functions of your child.  If you, or anyone else, decides to have a child it is usually because you and your partner are in love and wish to bring a child into the world...a human that is half of your makeup and half of his, a hope for the future, someone to nurture and raise and guide and love that you can watch grow from infancy to childhood to their "terrible" teen years to ... hopefully... a mature adult.  Do you see any but the vaguest similarity in comparing a child to a slave?

And by the way, your statement about "as per CD, should a non-working wife have permission to have a child"...you show me anywhere in my posts where I stated any such thing or even implied it, from my first post up to the post before this one and, throw in this one while you are at it.

You are working.  Great.  You did not make that clear in your first post. And with this post you have made it clear that part of the financial support of the slave and his provision of these services would be paid for partially by you.  You've also made things clear that were not clear in your first post.
As I said in my last post, the fact that I see a problem with someone who is not financially providing for wanted slave expecting their spouse to financially provide for another human that they (the financial provider) will not get service from is a problem I would have whether the non-financial person expecting this was male or female.  So please, do not cast me on the dump heap of neanderthal chauvinism.  I may be chauvinist but surely not in the way that has been implied and I have made it clear in several statements now that my view on this is not from a "female-bashing" perspective but from a situational perspective only.  Continuing to categorize it in any other way is at the least, misleading.
(from my last post)
Just to make it even more clear as to my view on the situation:::  
Lady K is now Sir K.
Sir K has a wife.
Sir K wants a slave.
Sir K does not want said slave to work outside the home...Sir K's slave's duties will be to take care of Sir K.s needs and wants first and foremost.
There now...everything is the same only it is a man instead of a woman.  If said male dominant did not work outside the home and expected the wife...who does...to pay for his slave who was not going to be slave in any way to the wife, I would not be wholly appreciative of that situation either.

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 7:43:31 AM   
twicehappy


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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

but it is about being wise and prudent. Can it be called lack of trust in the relationship and planning for its demise. i guess it could by some. The next relationship i enter, i plan on it lasting until i die, what i have learned however is that i can't control whether it will or not.


You should always cover your behind. Mine however is covered two ways; #1 by me, #2 by my owners in their will.
 
See below;

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

While i do have my own retirement there is a security net set up on my behalf should the unthinkable occur. Up to and including me having lifetime rights to occupy the house.  


For those  you who answered you would not stay home;
 
Would you if you  were to have yourself covered then agree to being a stay at home sub/slave?

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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 10:18:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
well said, twice.  not all of us that DON'T get a paycheck CAN'T.  some folks, Master being one of them and Scooter appears to share the same view, value other stuff over having more money, or a nicer dwelling to live in or other posessions and this slave sees nothing wrong with that.


To be fair, for everyone its not about nicer posessions but actually enjoying having an active career that you've invested lots of years and money into.

C~


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RE: Slavery/Contribution to care - 2/2/2007 12:02:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
well said, twice.  not all of us that DON'T get a paycheck CAN'T.  some folks, Master being one of them and Scooter appears to share the same view, value other stuff over having more money, or a nicer dwelling to live in or other posessions and this slave sees nothing wrong with that.


To be fair, for everyone its not about nicer posessions but actually enjoying having an active career that you've invested lots of years and money into.
C~


Fair enough, and it is why I am grateful and appreciate that beth chose our relationship instead of a return on investment.

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