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Termyn8or -> RE: Insurance Company requiring IQ test for Gastric Bypass operation... (1/25/2007 5:30:39 PM)
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I would agree that the morbidly obese have some sort of mental problem.
Not severe, well at least not really dangerous to others, they are dangerous to themselves. In this screwed up society we might see people institutionalized for overeating, because once insurance companies bought the government we have seat belt laws, overly harsh DUI laws, and now laws banning trans-fat. It doesn't take much progress in this direction to cause overweight people to be confined to fat farms.
There are fat farms now, and while they don't lock you in, I think alot of them are out in the sticks to the point if you did walk home you would burn off enough fat and improve your health enough that the goal is accomplished, at least partway.
Do you realize how much I would like a banana split ? A BIG heaping plate of spaghetti ? Donuts !
I have money and credit cards and I can get these things. I have made a concious decision that I do not want them, regardless of the flavor. I think it asll starts when one is young. Feeding your children is something you have to do, but I have heard of kids who will ONLY eat chicken nuggets and fries. Or cry and cry for food.
What kind of adults do you think they will become ?
There is another thing too, you hear about people who weight 1200 lbs. How they do that ? They do not fit in the driver seat of most vehicles, they obviously usually don't ride a bicycle, and where are they getting the money for all this food ?
Because generally once you hit 600 lbs. you are pretty much unemployable. How much government benefits can they possibly get ? Or do they dip whole loaves of bread into grease and eat 6 of them in a sitting ?
I agree that gastric bypass, stomach stapling and the band are not the proper procedure to cure the problem. It takes a change in attitude.
When I was fat I had knee problems, back problems and neck problems. The neck problems were partly caused by a very old gunshot wound, but haven't recurred since I changed my diet. I look at the content of foods, not the flavor or aesthetic appeal.
I'll allow enough bread to have sandwiches, but always order double meat. I have pasta once or twice a month, and dumplings less than once per year. I don't use any sugar and shun foods that have alot of sugar.
Actually this year I might get my banana split. There is a place called Honey Hut that sells icecream with no sugar or artificial sweetener. The other indredients in icecream are fine. And it has real honey in it.
The poster who mentioned that some people have a defect that makes them feel hungry all the time. Someone who gains weight after such surgeries must have that defect. Logic goes this way;
The stomach is only a part of the digestive tract. These operations do cause a malabsorption deficiency, but when it is deemed in the better interest because of extreme weight, they'll do it.
However, even though the stomach is shrunk, they obviously do not feel full. That is the whole idea for these surguries, not to have the body absorb less from the food. So if such a defect exists, surgery will not work.
I believe that the "unfounded" hunger comes from deficiencies, which they REFUSE to analyse properly. If they did, there goes the money tree. They best way to make money off of people's suffering is to perpetuate it. Harsh statement ? Yes.
An animal husbandry professional, that's a vet for farms, knows what cribbing is. If you see a horse or cow trying to eat rocks or fenceposts or something, there is something lacking in the feed. The vet will provide mineral supplements for the feed and/or advise the farmer to get the animal(s) a salt lick. Unrefined salt has alot of nutrients in it.
A few years ago, there was a lawsuit over whether farmers could stop the mineral supplements a few weeks before slaughter. They could save a few bucks and we would not get the nutrients we need from the meat. Nice guys eh ?
The source for the cribbing theory is an animal husbandry professional AND an MD. He also said he thinks that kids eating paint chips off the wall are cribbing. Nice analogy. I think it very possible. How can even a little kid see paint on the wall as appetizing ? Also, how can a horse or cow think a rock is something good to eat ?
Their body is not getting something it needs, and I think this may be true of obese people. It may be diet, or improper diet for their body type, or an internal defect causing one or more essential nutrients to not be absorbed efficiently.
The human body is a very complicated thing, and I know I do not understand it completely. But again and again, evidence shows for sure that neither do they (doctors). I think the vets do a better job except in the mechanics department, that is surgery etc.
T
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