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littlesarbonn -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:38:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mcbride Forgive me, sarbonn, but being upfront is part of my original question. How many elected officials can you name? Keep it to those who were upfront, if you like. s I don't understand the relevancy of your question, unless it's to make a comment of "it's never been done in the past, so it can't ever be done in the future." Sounds more like a status quo snide commentary and really not all that relevant to the topic at hand, unless I'm missing some point you're trying to make. My question that most people have been addressing is "can it work" rather than "has it worked".

littlesarbonn -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:40:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: lilsarbonn but I believe there is a large segment of diverse populations that feel they are no longer being represented by people who truly represent them, instead of the representative's personal desires, that, if lucky, may coincide with those of his or her constituent's, but generally do not. Not enough people in this "lifestyle" to begin to constitue a majority....the politician would have to field questions about scat,ponyplay,watersports...on and on and on!!! It would be fun for a day till they were removed from the "party" or ran as an independent on the "enema and flogging platform." Although if they were single they might get some serious "pussy" out of the venture....Battered women groups, women suffering from sexual addictions would all be places I would go to "get out" the vote and bolster my pole..err polls. Again this is only possible on Gor. Complete waste of a discussion...but alas, Domiguy is bored. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers. I don't know. If I was on the campaign trail and someone asked me about scat, I think my response would be "I don't know much about that. Why don't you inform me? Just not my thing. Next question."

domiguy -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:42:17 AM)
No it could never work....Maybe this thread would be better to shifting to "big women and BDSM"...then it would get pulled. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

mcbride -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:45:20 AM)
I dunno about snide, sarbonn. No point in getting personal here, i think. The point is pretty simple. If it was likely, you could name someone who'd done it. Or two. Or three, out of those tens of thousands. I don't know about the future. Eventually, it won't be such a big deal, but today, the evidence suggests it is.

littlesarbonn -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:47:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mcbride I dunno about snide, sarbonn. No point in getting personal here, i think. The point is pretty simple. If it was likely, you could name someone who'd done it. Or two. Or three, out of those tens of thousands. I don't know about the future. Eventually, it won't be such a big deal, but today, the evidence suggests it is. So, being the trend setter isn't a possibility? I'd like to think that my intelligence, my charisma, my ability to think completely out of boxed paradigms, and my ability to banter with the best of them has to have some positive uses for it. I'd hate to live in a society that was limited to only what people have succeeded at in the past.

mcbride -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:48:29 AM)
Please, go for it. I'll send ya $20.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:50:18 AM)
It's going to depend what you run for and where you run. If you're running for school board in a conservative southern town, you can forget it. If you're running for clerk of court (or something similar) in a larger metro area, it probably won't matter much. But, there is another service to think about here. Even if you LOOSE, you still get the fact out that regular people into BDSM really do exist...well, mostly. Some people will just never be convinced...but if you run under the points that this is part of your sexual orientation, then you have the discrimination thing to play with. And, with that, you have about my full extent of knowledge of the political scene. I watch cartoons rather than the new most times. Master Fire

domiguy -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 11:53:36 AM)
"Scat not your thing?" Then tell me Mr. politician...what about enemas,watersports,ponyplay,cbt,flogging,dungeons,poly relationships,orgasm denial, latex....Get my drift...you would have to answer some questions...these are all political killers...END OF STORY! THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY! (sorry for being snide...I do apologize) It's the equivalent of stealing "fizzy lifting drinks." You would get nothing with such admissions...You would lose! Willy Wonka: Wrong, sir! Wrong! Under section 37B of the contract signed by him, it states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void if - and you can read it for yourself in this photostatic copy - "I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained," et cetera, et cetera..."Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum," et cetera, et cetera..."Memo bis punitor delicatum!" It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir! Grandpa Joe: You're a crook. You're a cheat and a swindler! How could you do a thing like this, raise up a little boy's hopes and then dash all his dreams to pieces? You're an inhuman monster! Willy Wonka: I said "Good day!" I'm truly sorry...but it had to be said...there is no hope...for your dreams at this time. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers

littlesarbonn -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 12:00:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy "Scat not your thing?" Then tell me Mr. politician...what about enemas,watersports,ponyplay,cbt,flogging,dungeons,poly relationships,orgasm denial, latex....Get my drift...you would have to answer some questions...these are all political killers...END OF STORY! THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY! (sorry for being snide...I do apologize) It's the equivalent of stealing "fizzy lifting drinks." You would get nothing with such admissions...You would lose! Willy Wonka: Wrong, sir! Wrong! Under section 37B of the contract signed by him, it states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void if - and you can read it for yourself in this photostatic copy - "I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained," et cetera, et cetera..."Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum," et cetera, et cetera..."Memo bis punitor delicatum!" It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir! Grandpa Joe: You're a crook. You're a cheat and a swindler! How could you do a thing like this, raise up a little boy's hopes and then dash all his dreams to pieces? You're an inhuman monster! Willy Wonka: I said "Good day!" I'm truly sorry...but it had to be said...there is no hope...for your dreams at this time. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers As a final commentary to add to your very, VERY negative assessment of practically everything, I am so glad you were not my guidance counselor while I was growing up. I might have ended up continuing my plight of abject poverty, finally getting a job at some fast food restaurant, if someone hadn't killed me in a drive by shooting before that. Fortunately, I had better commentaries from people who convinced me that I could work hard, escape from an abusive childhood and declare independence at the age of 15, go to West Point, serve my country as a respected officer and then continue my education to become someone who can give a little back to his country. I've never really been a huge fan of the "it can't be done, so go home" attitude, but I understand if some people are incapable of seeing something beyond what's directly in front of them. Maybe I can't go anywhere with this. But I certainly wouldn't find out by just sitting at home and yelling at the television set every time the news comes on.

domiguy -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 12:05:19 PM)
As an activist, yes!...as a a politician, No. You stole fizzy lifting drinks. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 12:09:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy "Scat not your thing?" Then tell me Mr. politician...what about enemas,watersports,ponyplay,cbt,flogging,dungeons,poly relationships,orgasm denial, latex....Get my drift...you would have to answer some questions...these are all political killers...END OF STORY! THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY! (sorry for being snide...I do apologize) It's the equivalent of stealing "fizzy lifting drinks." You would get nothing with such admissions...You would lose! Willy Wonka: Wrong, sir! Wrong! Under section 37B of the contract signed by him, it states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void if - and you can read it for yourself in this photostatic copy - "I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained," et cetera, et cetera..."Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum," et cetera, et cetera..."Memo bis punitor delicatum!" It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir! Grandpa Joe: You're a crook. You're a cheat and a swindler! How could you do a thing like this, raise up a little boy's hopes and then dash all his dreams to pieces? You're an inhuman monster! Willy Wonka: I said "Good day!" I'm truly sorry...but it had to be said...there is no hope...for your dreams at this time. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers Yeah, but he still got the factory in the end. Master Fire

domiguy -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 12:22:42 PM)
Quote MasterFireMaam: "Yeah, but he still got the factory in the end." Don't remembering them sodomizing poor lil' ol' Charlie...but anything is possible with those "Hollywood" types...lol. Yeah he got the factory...the "Pretty Woman/Prostitute" marries the billionaire...and Nemo gets to go home(Domiguy pauses...wiping away tears.. thinking of Nemo's ordeal). And then there is reality...sort of the "Serenity Prayer" at this point. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. " Not now, not at this time. Sorry to crush a young boys dreams...but he still stole fizzy lifting drinks. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

LotusSong -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 12:56:07 PM)
I'd not make it an issue. If it were disclosed and you were questioned about it.. tell them yes, you tried it once.. but you didn't inhale. Or can do the CM thing, stamp your foot and call them all judgmental and closeminded. But, in all seriouness, that's a tough call. We are our history. This is a vanila world, we just live in it.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 1:02:29 PM)
FAST REPLY: It's possible ... G.W. is a subbie. That man can take a beating like no other and yet he still comes out smiling. LOL

BitaTruble -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 2:00:48 PM)
quote: Can a bdsm lifestyle in one's past (or even present) completely negate the chances of one representing others in our republic? Probably, but a wise choice in the field of battle can negate much of the 'stigma' of BDSM. SF, CA is going to be more forgiving than Podunk, Kentucky. quote: We all know about the closeted fetishist, which we usually find out about, and it becomes a scandal. But what would happen if someone who is pretty much already out there and goes forth with none of those skeletons in the closet? Honesty in politics may be a bit too novel a concept. I'm not sure that people are ready for honesty sad as that is to say. Much lip service was done to the fact that folks weren't upset that BC got a BJ in the OO, they were pissed he 'lied' about it. Now, if you believe that, then you've got a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. I'm not so sure it wasn't just the most convenient truth of the moment though. quote: Can anyone fathom how this would actually be possible, or is society so hung up on insecurities that such a potential could never happen? If you're a neo-con, might as well hang up your racing shoes.. it'll never happen. If you're a liberal.. maybe if you have a cracker-jack fund-raiser, surround yourself with excellence and have extraordinary stamina, don't seek out too high an office for your first couple of attempts and keep details to the bare minimum, .. maybe. One thing's for damn sure, if you don't run, you'll never get elected.. if you run and lose but put in a good showing, maybe it'll open the door for someone later down the line. You might not be destined to be the first to be elected, but who knows what place you can hold in history for daring to run? There are ways and ways to serve the greater good besides actually getting elected and busting down closed doors is one of them. Good luck.. let us know how things go .. and what your platform and issues are. ::grins:: Celeste

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 2:26:44 PM)
Don’t include me in the style negativity Domniguy is throwing at you, but I think it would be hard. I have lots of respect for you, littlesarbonn, but the only way it would work would be if you went in to a race revealing your past and saying you had changed, got religion, etc. Of course, you are not going to do that.

lateralist1 -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 2:54:19 PM)
I don't know. But it's never the right time to fight. You have to do it when it's your time. As a submissive I think you have more chance than as a Dom/me. We are the evil ones your just easily led lol. If you are already owned then obviously you have to have permission. If your not then it would probably make it easier for you to find a Mistress. So go for it. What have you got to lose except time and money? Unless some crazy thinks that you aren't worthy enough to live. I wish I had the ability and the commitment. If I was your Mistress I would instruct you to do it.

barefootgal -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 3:07:23 PM)
In my favorite book, The Phantom Tollbooth, a little boy takes on a transformative task. All through his journey, he is told "there's something we have to tell you but we can't until you are done." He fights monsters and his own fears and prejudices. At the end of the book, when he has successfully saved the princesses (of course there are princesses!) and restored peace, he asks what it was that he wasn't allowed to know. And he is told "It was impossible. But if we had told you, you never would have tried." So go ahead. I applaud your sense of adventure and civic duty. You're right that someone has to be the first. Although I do imagine it would be very, very difficult and potentially painful (and not in a good way). You are up against some fears and prejudices that are incredibly deep-seated and powerful regarding the role of men in our society. But I would hate for you to miss the opportunity to drag the bible thumpers back to the story of Moses. I, for one, would be honored to be the first person with a lawn sign that said, "And a slave shall lead them"...

SmokingGun82 -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 3:18:39 PM)
I had a professor in college... where I was majoring in Political Science... who summed it up pretty well. He was telling me one day that one of his best friends had never set foot in a bar, never drank a drop of alcohol in public, etcetera. He wanted to become Governor one day, you know, and couldn't have rumors getting out. He got married to a lovely girl, and they had a couple kids together. He became a deacon in the church, although he wasn't that religious, and did at least ten hours of volunteer work a day. He was on the City Council, all that good stuff, moving up... decided to run for mayor. His opponent got a DUI two weeks before the election. Two days before the election a girl came out saying the professors friend had been having an affair with her, and that he'd spanked her more than once. The opponent won. Sex... and WIITWD does involve a sexual connotation, even if your particular interest is completely non-sexual... is, and always has been, a killer for politicians. It's depressing, but if you noticed the reaction to Clinton getting a blowjob... and that's something most people have had/given in their lifetime. Most people haven't experienced a caning, or suspension, or whatever. So you combine the unknown with the puritanical ideas... you'd be in poor shape. Imagine the reaction if it came out Clinton had handcuffed Monica and flogged her breasts. But hey, I also know a guy who's best friend made a goal one day to become the drummer for They Might Be Giants- a band famous for using a drum machine, and never a live drummer. Two years later, he went on tour with them, as their drummer. Stranger things have happened.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Running for office with the stigma of bdsm in one's background (1/24/2007 5:06:34 PM)
littlesarbonn, I read your profile and because you are a submissive male and not a dominant, I think you have a fighting chance. Stockton isn't all that progressive but you are not in some bible belt stronghold. I am in Sacramento and have been active in any number of campaigns and would love to work on yours with you. Of course, since women will never rise in politics, there really isn't any hope for one of us I guess.

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