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Desensitized or Energized - 1/20/2007 10:38:27 PM   
starshineowned


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This isn't about the right or wrong of the war..should we or shouldn't we so please try to keep that out of here since we have plenty of threads on that already.

What sparks this question is often times I know with constant bombardment of things regardless of initial feelings about it..people tend to become complacent, accepting, and take it as everyday normal. This is not always the case and some albeit I think a fewer number become zealous in their outrage and end up in media spotlight as a result in protest.

Now just taking today..I've seen news on the 13 helicopter deaths, and the 5 soldiers slain in a attack. This wasn't good enough. To make a whole new story to recap these occurrences..they combined the 2, and added on past history of incidents. Something I found odd is although I am no math genious..but when did the last time 13, and 5 equal 20?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Given the coverage about troop deaths..what do you think it is doing to you..desensitizing you to this or energizing you into more mobility of protest?

For me..I'm pretty tired of reading about the deaths. I would rather hear about something positive because even with the deaths..I know the soldiers over there are doing good things, and not just sitting on their ass's all day being targets. It's brought me to a state of mind of looking at the new headlines, and saying duh..it's a war..people are going to die.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 9:36:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		They said on the news that there were 24 deaths yesterday.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 12:03:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stalin (who would know) reportedly said, "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

Mercifully, Iraq is not on that scale (at least for the Americans), but I do think we are becoming inured to the fatalities.


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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 12:13:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I,m desensitized because I realize once i,m back on my feet from my hospital stay I want to go out and find my old Friends.

Knowing my City most of them probably ran off and joined the army before this even started.
Now I just have to know what happened to them ,because regardless it has importance to me.

Maybe I should just let this one slide.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 6:28:59 PM   
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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 6:47:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hear what you are saying about bad news selling. When they had a rash of Teacher and Student sex news stories in the last year, we had a local story. It had the makings of a Cable news channel feature story. This middle school lady teacher banged her middle school stundent 30 something times and even let another middle school student watch. She was not a pin up model looking lady so it never made the big time news.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 7:24:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: starshineowned
Given the coverage about troop deaths..what do you think it is doing to you..desensitizing you to this or energizing you into more mobility of protest?

For me..I'm pretty tired of reading about the deaths. I would rather hear about something positive because even with the deaths..I know the soldiers over there are doing good things, and not just sitting on their ass's all day being targets. It's brought me to a state of mind of looking at the new headlines, and saying duh..it's a war..people are going to die.

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starshine
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i am sure all are tru depending on who you talk with.  i personally after spending 4 years in the military am doing a slow burn knowing these guys are in their mind doing their duty as best they know it.   Therefore they are serving this country and giving up their lives for us.  Unfortunately few realize they took an oath to protect this country form those enemies both foreign and "domestic"!  The latter of which i am sure they are unaware.

There is rarely happy news in war, except that its over


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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 8:00:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even with the Domestic one. I can say that never while I was in the Army did I ever think that a Domestic enemy would be the very government I was working for. That for many is just unconceivable. Ya just always assimilated that to something like riots and vigilantism etc.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 8:34:25 PM   
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Even with the Domestic one. I can say that never while I was in the Army did I ever think that a Domestic enemy would be the very government I was working for. That for many is just unconceivable. Ya just always assimilated that to something like riots and vigilantism etc.

starshine
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well i am sitting back here comparing the steps hitler took to over take germany, albeit very simplistic in execution in comparison to the way this last one went down, but i look at how terribly close we are to the final stage which is guns.   The only thing standing between a full take over is we all have guns locked and loaded!  No one has privacy.  They are using the patriot act aleady to look into gangs tap people like you and me, politial enemies etc etc....  i mean everyone seen the handwriting on the wall....   Law professor hmm Kasthy Harris i think summed it up as an atricity and crime against democracy.   It gives them the same power that hitler had, (that is the bottom line).   People simply do not take this serioulsy enough to do anything about it.   Its to badas my fear is that democracy is on such a thin ice that i will be frankly surprised if it survives the next 20 years.  The bankers, that is the iluminati is so entrenched in the system already that virtually who you elect its a choice betweenone puppet or another.  That is the real problem because the votingcounts are rigged.  Then they want to go to electronic voting which makes it even easier for them to rig the count.  Everything is geared to giving them more ability to operate behind the scenes and get away with it and at the same time the press is mopping up behind them as well.  i have sourced many links of articles and vid clips when they are first aired and end of day or a few days later they are gone.  Its to the point that its huge and supported by the propaganda machine the press.

Add that to only 50% or america votes and the other 1/2 could care less, then combine that with the hi intellect of the typical dumb ass in america, they here so and so got shot with a gun we should ban guns, and their thought process only goes as far as gun killed = bad, yes ban it! i mean total idiocracy for idiots and its a huge time bomb on a count down.  It amazes me how few people can connect the dots and have any real workign knowledge of how governments work behind the scene.

a buddy of mine cannot hear the words conspiracy, even the declassified ones from the cia, he simply cannot allow such thoughts into his brain... it just adds up to we are going down...  that is the verythin thread of democracy that is still left to hang onto.


Not even becoming sovereign can save us from that.  wind up doing what my grand parents did and move, they were german immigrants, seen the writing on the wall and got the hell out.


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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 8:42:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I am sure the mothers and fathers and wives and children
of those killed, are not tired of hearing about the deaths.
Also, maybe there is NO real good news coming out of that place.
Don't you think if there was any real good news we would hear it,
especially from the RIGHT/Rush/Hannity camps?
It is a hell hole over there and it is not pretty.
I want to hear about each and every death, and I will never get tired
of hearing about them, nor will I ever stop wondering how their families
must feel, and the pain of their loss.
RIP all those brave souls

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 8:48:00 PM   
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Then they want to go to electronic voting which makes it even easier for them to rig the count.  Everything is geared to giving them more ability to operate behind the scenes and get away with it and at the same time the press is mopping up behind them as well.



One of the things I love the most about living in California is the fact that the people here voted against electronic voting, and everybody gets a receipt for their ballot.

Love the people in Dumbfuckistan who post that what they want actually matters.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 8:58:39 PM   
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Then they want to go to electronic voting which makes it even easier for them to rig the count.  Everything is geared to giving them more ability to operate behind the scenes and get away with it and at the same time the press is mopping up behind them as well.



One of the things I love the most about living in California is the fact that the people here voted against electronic voting, and everybody gets a receipt for their ballot.

Love the people in Dumbfuckistan who post that what they want actually matters.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

Sinergy

p.s. Welcome to California, now go home.


well in wis we still have those super complicated ballots that require an iq of 60 to figue out, though i have to say they could have made it a total no brainer but we do not get any receipts and that should go up for a nationwide vote.


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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 9:07:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I understand the stance about death I am not sure the death of soldiers and hearing about it everyday trumphs over any other death that is happening, and though I may be wrong but this is the general tone of your post I am getting. Death in most cases is senseless and preventable but none the less..death is part of life.

If a matter of perspective is warranted..do you know that about 5,000 underage youth die each year as a result of alcohol? Do you hear everyday, every hour, even every 30 mins when another youth has lost their life to this? Bare in mind...this number is just underage persons who die each year alone by just alcohol. Who's weeping for those families? Where's their media hype and attention? How the heck are they even getting the alcohol to begin with to allow for such a high mortality rate?

Again..this is just perspective. Any senseless death by any cause is just as sad as the next.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 9:21:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Then they want to go to electronic voting which makes it even easier for them to rig the count.  Everything is geared to giving them more ability to operate behind the scenes and get away with it and at the same time the press is mopping up behind them as well.



One of the things I love the most about living in California is the fact that the people here voted against electronic voting, and everybody gets a receipt for their ballot.

Love the people in Dumbfuckistan who post that what they want actually matters.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

Sinergy

p.s. Welcome to California, now go home.


well in wis we still have those super complicated ballots that require an iq of 60 to figue out, though i have to say they could have made it a total no brainer but we do not get any receipts and that should go up for a nationwide vote.



Well, that style of voting was either approved by the voters in your state or approved by your state government...

Perhaps some people should be given a pink slip for failing to perform the duties of their jobs?

Sinergy


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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 9:36:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im not desensitized by the deaths at all.  Im just surprised when people freak out over it and get pissed off at the president that our "men and women" are being killed.  Our "men and women" decided for themselves what was important to them. They decided what cause was worth risking their life for.  I don't want to see our soldiers die and I know the pain their loved ones feel.  But we have to honor their decision to join the military and their decision to fight or die for our country if need be.  They dont recruit thinking that they should decide what wars we fight and what wars we shouldn't fight...they recruit willing to follow the leaders of our country in whatever their decisions are. 
I usually avoid the political debates,  but in a forum where we have people willing to risk their lives for a bitchin orgasm, I have a hard time trying to fathom how I hear so much about "our soldiers" shouldnt be dying.  Who am I to decide for someone else what cause they should be willing to die for?  No one.  All I can do is be grateful for their heroism,  and honor their decision and their willingness to risk their lives for something they believe in.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 9:40:29 PM   
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Given the coverage about troop deaths..what do you think it is doing to you..desensitizing you to this or energizing you into more mobility of protest?


That's easy. It energizes me towards protest.

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RE: Desensitized or Energized - 1/21/2007 10:21:00 PM   
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Given the coverage about troop deaths..what do you think it is doing to you..desensitizing you to this or energizing you into more mobility of protest?


I mostly read news instead of viewing it. If I watch the news and I see these deaths covered it tends to really tear me up inside. I know how senseless the loss of all these young people is. I think of how many will grow up without their parents, parents will miss children that never come home, sisters will grieve brothers, wives cry alone at night for the love of their men, men rearing children without their wives... it just causes a wave of grief in me. I do not think I will ever be desensitized to it to be honest... it is accumulative for me, like a heavy weight on my chest. This is why I try very hard not to view it.

I think some of the people who harden themselves are the very ones that need to sit down and think about what each of those numbers you mentioned at the front of your post mean. It is overwhelming.

I have come to the conclusion that my "fighting against war" only adds to war... because I am fighting something... cannot have peace as long as I fight. I have made a conscious decision of late to do everything in my power to concentrate on adding peace to the world... "Let there be peace on Earth and Let it Begin with Me". I am beginning to believe if those of us that do not want war no more concentrate on achieving peace... there will be more of it, not only in Iraq, but the rest of the world.. like John Lennon penned... Imagine.

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