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My personal rant - 1/15/2007 9:02:22 AM   
EnglishPortia


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Last week, I met someone online, who I felt I had strong chemistry with. We met for coffee, talked about our non-kink lives.... I asked him to cook me dinner, which he did. Everything appeared to be going well, he had asked to be mine, seemed happy and content.

Yesterday he told me that he was not comfortable with the lifestyle as it is not "natural", that he wished to be a platonic friend of mine and that he wasn't sure what he wanted.

While I was very angry, I was calm and supportive, and offered to set the kink side of our relationship aside, while he worked out what he wanted...

Guess what, this morning before work he was back on b.com....

Seems he just wants the fantasy side of this lifestyle and is not bothered about who he hurts in the process of fulfilling his fantasies.

I'm OK, I don't want any form of relationship with someone who can be so cavalier about my feelings. I just wanted to vent....

Aye thank ya!

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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 9:08:40 AM   
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and so it goes, eh? Portia?
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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 9:11:04 AM   
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I think there are many people who go through cycles of thinking they want BDSM, pulling away sometimes violently, then coming back over and over again.

I think it is fairly common for any interest that seems so unusual and unsupported by the rest of society. I've known folks who have spent thousands of dollars on clothes and toys then throw it into the trash over and over in these cycles. (must be nice to have that much money to toss around, huh?)

Personally this is part of the reason why I have such a long process of getting to know someone and a formal training period. I work to keep myself distant during this process because I know it could stop at any time.

Does that make me a cold-hearted bitch? Maybe but at least my heart doesn't get hurt as often and it didn't prevent me from finding some very good slaves over the years.

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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 9:16:50 AM   
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Thanks :)

It's certainly lead me to re-evaluate how I will negotiate with submissives in the future, and that I will be more sceptical about someone's word being their bond.

I suppose as I am comfortable with who I am and where I am in life, I expect others to be the same. And it's not like we didn't talk about the issues of submission *one heck of a lot*, as I started out in this life as a submissive, and am therefore only too aware of the conflicting emotions that submission can give.

I just expect honesty, and unfortunately am still surprised when I don't get it...

I'm actually left with a sense of relief that this happened before I got emotionally involved with this person.

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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 9:24:59 AM   
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wow... below is a post I JUST made at FemSupreme. I agree with TammyJo and I admit that I scare a lot of people away because of my expectations but for the right person its worth it.


With that post are some key elements for you Portia. The two of you connected in cyberspace and had great chemistry. This in itself is difficult to find. Your disappointed because he wasn’t ready to take off soaring at the rate you would have liked but this does not mean the relationship is dead. If you open yourself up to friendship and experience each other on a limited basis it very well could establish the trust you are both seeking. If he’s a game player then you’ll figure this out pretty quickly.
  I would give it time and worse case you end up with a new kinky friend.



below cross post from Femsupreme....

I have a few comments. I have been online way before the web back during the BBS days when I ran a fetish board. Back then it was only local people calling into a computer with a bunch of modems or bridge on PHONE LINES, imagine that. So I grew familiar with online relationships and even enjoy the freedom it gave me. I liked getting to know someone and then meeting them. Maybe I would chat with them a few months and they would show up at a munch or we’d agree to meet.


  Now fast forward to 2000 when the web is now rapidly becoming a world wide communication phenomenon.  All business and personal communications are shifting at rapid rates. Scammers and players have now learned how to manipulate the web and many people are learning how to use it as a crutch. What I mean by this is that it’s easy for people to explore, hide behind their screens with no commitment. Over 80% of the internet dating population has no intention of actually meeting or making commitments. Its scary high but true.


  As much experience as I have in BDSM relationships and being online I too have been a victim of scams. I won’t go into all the stories but share one briefly… I met this girl online; we chatted, exchanged email and eventually went to phone. I was elated because she painted the perfect picture and was everything I had been looking for. Let’s face it, it gets really lonely trying to find someone that understands you & isn’t hung up on their own selfish needs. I don’t care how pretty, cute, rich, whatever; the journey for sub cultures to connect is very difficult. The more you niche are- leather, gay, pagan, etc. more complex the more difficult.


  Anyhow, we seemed to be soaring on cloud nine. We made plans to meet. She was to fly to south Florida and spend a few days. The day before I get an email saying she was nervous and not ready. I understood this and tired to comfort her. I explained to her, as I do with all, that our first meeting must be one of comfortably where we don’t play but spend time talking face to face and just experience one another. That regardless of anything we would walk away as friends. One time I was actually at the airport and she never got off the plane. This time the excuse was that a relative became extremely ill. It was 3 times, all excuses and red flags began to fly. I finally gave her an ultimatum and said that if she wasn’t serious enough to meet me face to face that I would cut off all contact with her. Finally she made it and there was wonderful chemistry. I even asked her to stay & for the first 2 weeks it was great.   Then things began to unfold and to make a long story short this person wasn’t even the same person I had been talking to. I began to discover things and seen that she had painted a picture that wasn’t her and that her life was not only a mess but that I had been lied to over and over.


  Obviously the moral to the story is to be careful but I learned something else from a friend who does my tarot once a year…


  She said, “Sometimes we meet out soul mates on another plane. We connect and we *feel* it but on the physical plane, the here and now we battle and it’s not the same. Sometimes it’s just supposed to be that way.” 


  Ok, maybe and that’s cool if people want to remain in cyberspace. I need more and though I prefer getting to know someone this way, I can’t allow myself to carry on an online relationship for more then a few months. Maybe I’ve grown hard because I really have grown tough in my expectations. I give a submissive a task and if they don’t complete it in a reasonable time I lose interest right away. I just don’t’ have time for games.


  I like the fun and games but let’s face it; I need a real platform to remain interested. I need to *feel* that their devotion and submission to me is real and not some cyber fix to get their rocks off. I need a connection even if it starts as friendship, in fact I insist on this foundation even if its D/s I need to build love and respect before I’ll open myself up.


  The best way for me to really get to know someone or become friends is to study them in forums. I pay attention and form opinions on this. I have some wonderful friends here that I am growing to trust. I may meet one of you one day and sparks could fly. We already have a wonderful foundation of friendship which to me is worth the investment.


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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 11:09:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo



Does that make me a cold-hearted bitch?


But some of us REALLY like you when you ARE a cold-hearted...um, okay, I just don't have it in me to call a woman that word, but you get the point. I hope. 

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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 12:45:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo



Does that make me a cold-hearted bitch?


But some of us REALLY like you when you ARE a cold-hearted...um, okay, I just don't have it in me to call a woman that word, but you get the point. I hope.


Aw, that's sweet!

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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 1:43:43 PM   
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People's responses have been great, and certainly given me a lot of food for thought. I certainly feel a lot calmer and more considerate of the situation than I did waking up this morning...

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RE: My personal rant - 1/15/2007 6:47:14 PM   
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He sounds like he is scared Portia.
At least you did not invest weeks or months with him!
You are better off, and this will free you up for the

great submissive that will come your way.
{{Hugs}}
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RE: My personal rant - 1/16/2007 9:54:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo



Does that make me a cold-hearted bitch?


But some of us REALLY like you when you ARE a cold-hearted...um, okay, I just don't have it in me to call a woman that word, but you get the point. I hope. 



lol- yeah like its a bad thing. I was thinking this yesterday that being called a bitch is a compliment. I love being a bitch.


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RE: My personal rant - 1/16/2007 10:20:55 AM   
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<<  She said, “Sometimes we meet out soul mates on another plane. We connect and we *feel* it but on the physical plane, the here and now we battle and it’s not the same. Sometimes it’s just supposed to be that way.”>>

Now, this gave me one big ah-ha! moment.  Pure genius.  I had never thought if that.

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RE: My personal rant - 1/16/2007 12:53:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo



Does that make me a cold-hearted bitch?


But some of us REALLY like you when you ARE a cold-hearted...um, okay, I just don't have it in me to call a woman that word, but you get the point. I hope. 



lol- yeah like its a bad thing. I was thinking this yesterday that being called a bitch is a compliment. I love being a bitch.



I have to agree with you Goddess! I've never found anything wrong with being a bitch

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RE: My personal rant - 1/16/2007 2:39:26 PM   
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Being a Bitch is entirely too much fun to give up.
 
To the OP: I have met men who claim to be submissives from online forums/chats, etc.  Oftentimes I find they pull away because they are intimidated by My directness and honesty, as well as My expectations...and honestly, I intimidate men who are vanilla as well.  It's gutting, when you think you've found someone compatible and open to your way of thinking, and then you have the rug yanked from under you...so I understand your anger and disappointment.
 
thetammyjo:  are your standards for meeting potential submissives posted or published?  I'd love a read.
 
With kind regard,
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RE: My personal rant - 1/17/2007 7:05:50 AM   
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He may be just into fantasy. He may also simply have not felt the connection he needs for a D/s relationship with you but didn't want to insult you. Hard to tell.

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RE: My personal rant - 1/17/2007 7:55:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess

thetammyjo: are your standards for meeting potential submissives posted or published? I'd love a read.

With kind regard,
~Kara


My website talks more in depth about the process I have for sorting through people and a bit more about my family.

www.tammyjoeckhart.com

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RE: My personal rant - 1/17/2007 10:53:48 AM   
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i agree with most of the above-- also to be considered is how difficult it is for most, maybe even all, men to move from the fantasy BDSM space to D/s which is really the relationhsip with the real woman/Domme--- sounds like he hadn't done that psychological work yet to cross that bridge in reality with a flesh and blood Domme like Yourself---   he may take a second chance later who knows.

Also-- yes to Bitch power!= LLB!

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RE: My personal rant - 1/17/2007 3:23:22 PM   
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Dear Portia,

Your messages and profile seem to convey a sense of sanity, safety and consensuality, so I'd say it's his loss, not yours.

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RE: My personal rant - 1/17/2007 6:22:15 PM   
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Unrequited love, unrequited fascination, and unrequited attraction are all separate rungs of hell.

I don't think there is any way to sugar coat it.

Try not to lose faith, maintain a sense of humor, don't get ahead of yourself, stay balanced....blah, blah, blah what else
can one say!

Good luck to you going forward.

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RE: My personal rant - 1/17/2007 7:19:11 PM   
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:) Thank you so much...

After being out of the "scene" for a couple of years, its been kind of strange not to be able to talk to my regular friends about this situation, but a couple of days out, I'm feeling much better about everything. In fairness one of the things he said was that he didn't feel he was ready, although initally he thought he was. Monday was my venting day. :)

Guess you have to take people as you find them, and its as much up to me to accept him for the way that he is too :)

BTW thank you everyone for your responses, they've been amazing, and I hope that I can return the favour some time

Portia

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