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Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 4:20:55 AM   
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I thought this was pretty interesting:

Raytheon Tests New Laser Weapon
by Martin Sieff
UPI Senior News Analyst
Washington (UPI) Jan 10, 2007

Extracts:

Raytheon announced Monday that it had "successfully tested a prototype solid-state laser weapon." The new laser system "combines the proven capabilities of the Phalanx weapon system with the power and effectiveness of lasers to defeat rockets, mortars and missiles at an operationally significant range," the company said.

Raytheon said its prototype solid-state Laser Area Defense System, or LADS, "successfully detonated 60-millimeter mortars at a range greater than 550 yards within the tactical timeline in static ground testing conducted in partnership with the United States government." The company described the tests as "groundbreaking' and said the results had been achieved "in less than six months."

Apparently, they decided to do it based on Israeli requirements to prevent cross border mortar attacks:

Phalanx Fitted With Laser and Passes Test:

Responding to an Israeli search (and offers of quick sales) for anti-rocket/ mortar systems, the company (Raytheon) that makes the Phalanx anti-ship missile system, has adapted a Phalanx to use a laser instead of a 20mm automatic cannon.
I wonder how long it will be until we get shoulder fired lasers? 

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 6:18:50 AM   
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I sure hope the US gets this if Israel is going to have it. The USS Libery incident in 1967 proves that they'll stab us in the back like a Palestinian.

The problem with portable lasers is the power supply. Back when I had some creativity I mused about designing one. Hand held but with a battery pack on a belt. Perhaps carbon dioxide based and in the five watt range. Of course it takes alot more than five watts input to get five watts output, but at five watts output you can cut a car in half. The trick is to keep the beam small and totally coherent.

There are still problems. Aiming is a pain, although there is no trajectory (well a straight line) the beam is invisible. Range is also a problem. Too much range, as soon as you get through the car at any given point everything on the path of the beam will get hit. Imagine shooting a gun that can kill someone two miles away. You wouldn't want too many of those being used in the city to say the least.

This technology has existed for some time, as do particle beams and all kinds of things, the problem is the bulk. Raytheon certainly didn't invent the laser, they just made it more practical.

In fact you can make a maser weapon with the magnetron from a microwave oven. With a piece of specially shaped tubing you can concentrate all that power into a narrow beam. Of course since the source is not coherent and is of a large (relative) diameter, it will need to be focused which means knowing the range. With a coherent laser, range is not that important.

What I'm surprised that they do not come out with (they might just not be saying) is a plasma gun. When not contained plasma has very little mass. In a fusion reaction plasma is contained in a magnetic "bottle". If they get the reaction started and then reverse one of the fields to expel the plasma it will likely travel far. Again, the range needs to be known because plasma is matter and will not remain coherent even if you could make it so. Also the only way to focus it is magnetic fields. To collimate it would be impossible with today's technology.

I do not know if collimate is the exact word, but matter can be collimated, that is made to act coherent. To explain, those water and light shows. To make the water cannon they run all the water coming from the big pipe through an array of small pipes of equal diameter and length. This causes the water to sort of stick together after it leaves the nozzle. The same preinciple, even if it could be applied to plasma would not work because plasma will expand, water does not.

I also wonder what they have been doing with EMPGs. I know they exist, in fact I downloaded plans for one. They are almost common knowledge, yet I have never heard of one being used, but then they do not tell us everything. I know this much, if someone uses an EMPG near a fusion reaction I do not want to be around. It's not just the possible disruption of the magnetic "bottle", if it screws up the electronics that generate and regulate the fields of the "bottle", the plasma will escape. They use magnetism because no material on Earth can contain it.

Actually the people who really build WMDs (US and Israel) are going to get stupider. Eventually they will build them without batteries. Right now I think they got enough sense to know that you can't expect your 220 line to work in time of war, but they seem to be collapsing. Eventually the buyers of such weapons will screw up and not have the backup power to run it. Might happen.

Y'know right now it's nice to sit here in the "good" countries and feel secure that such weapons will not be used against us. Think if you were Palestinian learning that your possible allies in the future (Russia and China) could be shot down even with Moskit2 missiles and the Korean one that is supposed to be even better.

We have had argumentrs about strategy on this board before, people say the Moskit has a limited range. What one must realize is that many of those countries are no bigger than a state in the US. Many are smaller.

One day we will see a missile coming and see a laser fire up and follow it and detonate it before it gets to us. People will be in awe, I will not. If they made a "new" laser weapon public, what are they still hiding ?

By reasoning and logical extrapolation I have an idea how far they are along in technology. I can tell you how they can see though the roof of your house and how they can tell you have one pot plant in a huge cornfield. I can tell you that the reason SDI is not up and running is the power source. Not enough power to fire from a satellite. The reason my handheld five watt coherent CO2 laser weapon doesn't exist is because of lack of a power source.

Anybody can take a microwave apart and attach a tube to the magnetron output and have a dandy little device. But what do you plug it into ? The wall. The problem with these things is that the power is likely to be out when you need them most.

As described, lasers do exist, but to fire them up you need two big fat wires with high voltage and some current behind it. Even if you could do it, with the best (known) battery technology today you might get one or two blasts out of it.

Such things would be (are) great for covert ops, assassinations and all that, but without one hell of a power source, simply are not the weapon of choice for the common Man.

Enough for now, we don't need the NSA poking around here.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 6:19:55 AM   
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I just bought a LED lamp lightbulb for my livingroom. $6. it burns cooler then halogen.. in this case it is green.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 7:16:13 AM   
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Term,

You overwhelmed me, man!  Interesting stuff, though.  One of the two articles I linked to above says the entire weapon weighs 3 tons.  Which isn't really all that heavy, considering.

I'm just waiting for some of David Drakes equipment to be fielded to the US Army.  Or when the first Bolo comes off the line! 


pahunk,

I like those LED' lights.  I've got a couple of flashlights that never need batteries, just shake them a bit, and the low voltage LED runs for a long time.

I've also converted to those curly fluorescent light bulbs in my house.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 7:55:24 AM   
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I have just returned from the consumer electronics show in Las Vegas...some of the fun stuff in LED
A saucer size lamp that attaches with magnet or velcro to virtually any surface with 30 LED lamps works on 4 AA batteries  it casts a white light that will light the interior of an automobile like high noon in Barstow.  Lamp life 10,000 hours battery life 30 hours continous.
A 1 watt LED flashlight that is powered by 3AAA batteries that casts a beam focused through a convex lense a distance of 20 meters.  Lamp life 10,000 hrs battery life 30 hours continous.
Battery charger for lithium or ni mi hi battery of any physical configuration.  It is solid state thus no copper transformer.  This will charge cell phone batteries, camera batteries, lap top batteries it weighs about 6 ounces and fits in the palm of your hand.
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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 7:58:39 AM   
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I have just returned from the consumer electronics show in Las Vegas...some of the fun stuff in LED
A saucer size lamp that attaches with magnet or velcro to virtually any surface with 30 LED lamps works on 4 AA batteries  it casts a white light that will light the interior of an automobile like high noon in Barstow.  Lamp life 10,000 hours battery life 30 hours continous.
A 1 watt LED flashlight that is powered by 3AAA batteries that casts a beam focused through a convex lense a distance of 20 meters.  Lamp life 10,000 hrs battery life 30 hours continous.
Battery charger for lithium or ni mi hi battery of any physical configuration.  It is solid state thus no copper transformer.  This will charge cell phone batteries, camera batteries, lap top batteries it weighs about 6 ounces and fits in the palm of your hand.
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its fascinating. soon you will see led everywhere!!

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 8:31:30 AM   
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pahunkboy:
I have already replaced all of my flourescent lighting with LED.  When you buy you want to look for the luxion bulbs in the 1 watt and up range.  China is not manufacturing the bulbs as yet but are buying them from both the US and Japan and incorporating them into products made in China.
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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 8:40:09 AM   
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Where did you buy them, thompson?

White LEDs was the hardest thing for them to make, but I knew that they thought that they had it solved, but I've not seen many yet, and none that screw in a light socket.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 9:06:04 AM   
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Where did you buy them, thompson?

White LEDs was the hardest thing for them to make, but I knew that they thought that they had it solved, but I've not seen many yet, and none that screw in a light socket.

FirmKY



FirmhandKY:
I only have wholesale access.  Since I live off grid I chose to use straight DC.
GLOWWORM...
these people make desk and floor lamps as well as chandeliers.
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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 9:33:41 AM   
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Where did you buy them, thompson?

White LEDs was the hardest thing for them to make, but I knew that they thought that they had it solved, but I've not seen many yet, and none that screw in a light socket.

FirmKY



FirmhandKY:
I only have wholesale access.  Since I live off grid I chose to use straight DC.
GLOWWORM...
these people make desk and floor lamps as well as chandeliers.
thompson

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I have been informed that I may not post an email address but that I may post a website.  Perhaps this will work.
http://www.glowworm.com.tw
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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 10:07:28 AM   
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the lightbulb [led]  screws in a regular socet. it is 1/4 the size. it has green lights that remind me of light bright toy. ill run the light and 3 water fountains in teh living room for ambience.

led burns cooler then halogyn.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 10:25:08 AM   
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One day we will see a missile coming and see a laser fire up and follow it and detonate it before it gets to us. People will be in awe, I will not. If they made a "new" laser weapon public, what are they still hiding ?



I am not entirely certain the goal would be to detonate the weapon.

Fire enough energy at it to fry the control systems, and what ends up is a large object falls from the sky and goes "bonk." 

There is also a formula (which I cannot remember off the top of my head) for energy dispersal of an energy weapon as it punches through an atmosphere.  It went something like energy weapon signal equals power you start out with, etc., divided by distance raised to some power.  Accordingly, these sorts of weapons work nice in a vacuum, but every atom of atmosphere attenuates the signal.  During the Star Wars era, when there was talk about particle weapons being fired from outer space, what was theorized was firing a laser first to remove all the atmospheric particles (similar to what happens in a lightning strike) and then firing the particle weapon down the corridor.

The energy cost was prohibitive.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 4:25:58 PM   
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Sinergy has a glimpse of what power cost is, for the rest of you...........

Let's say you take a magnetron and make a weapon. You test fire it on the bench in the basement, you melt many things. It is a success, you have a lever for range. This is EM energy and has no apparent mass nor does it expand. Thereofre if semi-coherent it can be fornidable. Insidious as well. Literally you could shoot people through walls without damaging the wall.

This is why there is a federal law, although it is not enforced, to register microwave ovens. The reason it is not enforced is that they do not have 300,000,000 jail cells yet.

Now your 1200 watt microwave needs that power for the magnetron, it is not for the light. It does not have a ceramic 20 amp fuse for a light bulb. Watts are amps times volts.

A x V = W

4,000V x 0.3A = 1200W
400V x 3A = 1200W
40V x 30A = 1200W
20V x 60A = 1200 W

When you get down to 12 volts, which alot of batteries are, just how long do you think you can pull 80 amps from them, even car batteries. Eighty amps is more than your car starter pulls. Last time I saw anything close to 80 amps pull was in a very old, very high compression high performance car of the 70s.

Realize that a 1200 watt car stereo pulls the amps too, and that is why they run heavy guage power wires to it. But then we are talking a car battery here and a viable way to keep it charged. Are you going to carry that on a backpack or what ?

By wiring the batteries in series and using a higher voltage before conversion, you can simplify the circuitry and make it more efficient, but the raw facts still exist. That the ultimate capacity in amp-hours just will not hold up long. Using a higher input voltage to the converter means higher efficiency,

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/13/2007 11:27:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I have just returned from the consumer electronics show in Las Vegas...some of the fun stuff in LED
A saucer size lamp that attaches with magnet or velcro to virtually any surface with 30 LED lamps works on 4 AA batteries  it casts a white light that will light the interior of an automobile like high noon in Barstow.  Lamp life 10,000 hours battery life 30 hours continous.
A 1 watt LED flashlight that is powered by 3AAA batteries that casts a beam focused through a convex lense a distance of 20 meters.  Lamp life 10,000 hrs battery life 30 hours continous.
Battery charger for lithium or ni mi hi battery of any physical configuration.  It is solid state thus no copper transformer.  This will charge cell phone batteries, camera batteries, lap top batteries it weighs about 6 ounces and fits in the palm of your hand.
thompson


Hey Thompson.


I was reading about this show a few months back in ''Gadget'' magazine. I'm curious as to what they charge for a two to three day pass, or is attendance free?  I had seriously considered attending that show.... I bet it was awfully good.



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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/14/2007 3:07:33 AM   
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When you get down to 12 volts, which alot of batteries are, just how long do you think you can pull 80 amps from them, even car batteries. Eighty amps is more than your car starter pulls. Last time I saw anything close to 80 amps pull was in a very old, very high compression high performance car of the 70s.



Both my vehicles have batteries that supply 440CCA (cold cranking amps) the preheat circuit on my diesel draws upto 40 before the the starter engages. The alternator alone in both vehicles is capable of producing 120a and that can still take an hour or two to replace what starting takes out in a matter of seconds. Both of those batteries are rated 85a/h, therefore i can expect to draw 80a for just a little over an hour with no recharging. the battery in my trailer is rated 140a/h, so that could supply a continuous 80amps for almost 2 hours

Oh, and to clarify, my diesel is a pretty small 2.5l 4 cylinder lump, rather than some monstrous 16 cylinder out of a heavy truck.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/14/2007 5:30:14 AM   
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I wonder how long it will be until we get shoulder fired lasers? 

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And then how long before someone wants one for home use?
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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/14/2007 7:35:39 AM   
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I wonder how long it will be until we get shoulder fired lasers? 

FirmKY





And then how long before someone wants one for home use?
News report;....Interview with a guy standing beside his camouflaged 1968 Ford pickup with a beer in his hand... 
"Honest, I only want to use it for hunting"
 






     The '68 truck is a Dodge actually, but yeah.  You never know when you might run across "Hogzilla" on your way to hug a tree.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/14/2007 9:57:41 AM   
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I'd buy one.

Or two.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/14/2007 3:24:04 PM   
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Man, I can remember seeing functioning lasers in school about 25 years ago or so.  They are certainly nothing new.  25 years ago, though, they were probably a fair size larger than they are now.

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RE: Laser Weapons: For Sale - 1/14/2007 3:31:43 PM   
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I can beat that SirK!

I've been shot in the face by laser around 3000 times.

Shows, doesnt it?

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