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jefisme03 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/11/2007 2:30:59 PM)

I would like to keep in mind that the idea of age rarely has baring on a persons state of mind as far as stability is concerned focus seems like the type of dom you don’t want to be the sub to in fact I want to be the opposite of what focus is showing as I under stand it showing the asshole side of you is not being a dom so much as still just being an ass hole and seriously how else am I supposed to learn but from either experience were I a mod id have a bit of a talk with focus about trying to scare off the newbies with holier than thou attitude if focus would like to expound on his college prank theory then let him send me a personal message




LaTigresse -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/11/2007 2:54:40 PM)

And THAT is the sort of attitude that only goes to show your youth and immaturity, thereby garnering you no respect. 




spankmepink11 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/11/2007 3:08:33 PM)

I'm so dissapointed in some of the replies this young man has received....i seriously doubt that his age and his physical appearance will hinder his search for knowledge, how thoughtful of some  to point out to him what they perceive as his "deficiencies" .  
Jefisme, the books and websites that some have  directed you to are great starts.  Also i agree that you need to practice a great deal of self exploration.  As  a college student you may not be in a position to financially support a submissive,  does not mean that you are unworthy  of involving yourself in this lifestyle, or persuing a relationship, once you feel comfortable enough to explore that.  Just take your time, learn as much about yourself as you can,  find out what being dominant means to you, and what you may enjoy in a submissive.  Don't feel that you have to  rush into anything to feel validated.  A dominant male, is still a dominant male, even if he is not in an active D/s relationship. 

good luck...




ScooterTrash -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/11/2007 3:20:49 PM)

Take life at your own pace...you are just getting into this and like anything else, it takes time. Like CD (Michael) noted, there are many books out there, read, read and then read some more. No, it won't make you an expert, but it will give to the confidence to move forward. Good luck on your quest...it will be full of adventures.




Focus50 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 2:35:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jefisme03

I would like to keep in mind that the idea of age rarely has baring on a persons state of mind as far as stability is concerned focus seems like the type of dom you don’t want to be the sub to in fact I want to be the opposite of what focus is showing as I under stand it showing the asshole side of you is not being a dom so much as still just being an ass hole and seriously how else am I supposed to learn but from either experience were I a mod id have a bit of a talk with focus about trying to scare off the newbies with holier than thou attitude if focus would like to expound on his college prank theory then let him send me a personal message

And there it is....
 
I deliberately baited you just to see how you handle pressure and your response is exactly the reason I have preconceived prejudices about *young* "doms".   You couldn't control your emotions when I yanked your chain but you're ready to dabble in taking charge of a sub who will *definitely* test you to see what you've got, izzat it?  Riiiiiiiight....
 
Age doesn't always correspond with maturity, but your "crash and burn" failure here confirms exactly what I suspected all along.  You're freakin' 19!  Go and get some life experience beyond frat parties and computer games because right now I think the only reason you're here calling yourself a dom is because you think it's an easy way to get girls who theoretically can't refuse your demands. 
 
I don't teach children the right way to play with matches and I'm certainly not gonna help teach a teenager how to exploit a dynamic he clearly has no concept of beyond probably wanting to get his dick sucked on demand.  The correct answer to your opening question is incerdibly simple....  Once you're mature and responsible enough to be the dom you believe you are, you'll realise exactly how appallingly ignorant and immature your question was to start with.  When you truly don't have to ask it, you're getting warm.  I reckon about 10 years of r/l life experience, including intimate liasons with living/breathing people, orta get you on the road to discovering if you really need to be here (BDSM) at all.
 
C'mon, you didn't just waltz into college straight from pre school, did you?
 
Here endeth the lesson.
 
Focus.




Rover -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 5:17:31 AM)

I'm sorry to interject (ok, I'm really not but it certainly sounds good to say so), but you never did answer a previous question in another thread as to how it is that you learned what you (purport) to know.  And since it's pertinent to this discussion, I thought it might lend context to your comments.
 
Did you learn what you know with the help from experienced folks in your local community?
 
Did you learn what you know from workshops, demonstrations and other experienced folks in controlled (and supervised) environments?
 
Did you learn what you know from reading books and online websites?
 
Did you learn what you know from trial and error (you make the errors and your submissive pays the price for your mistakes)?
 
I just think it's helpful to have a clear understanding the environment in which your "education" has taken place, and to have a perspective of what "educational process" you might be recommending for others.
 
John




junecleaver -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 7:11:25 AM)

Speaking as a poor college student from an ultra conservative area, I empathize.  What are you suppose to do with grown up feelings when you are still technically growing up?  My advice, which I'm in the process of taking right now, would be to focus on yourself.  Give yourself the structure and the discipline you want in a relationship.  Try to find the roots of your attraction to BDSM and maybe that will give you a helpful direction to start in your search as to what your personal style might be.  What tools and resources would you need to be successful in the type of relationship you will eventually settle into?  Answer that question and begin building those tools and gathering your resources. Basically, make decisions with the future in mind.  And don't rush into something you are not/will not be prepared for.




jefisme03 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 10:01:30 AM)

Ok as far as what I have learned, I have a good friend of mine who has some experience in bdsm. After a while he decided it wasn’t his thing, but retained some knowledge about the community. I decided to ask him some questions about it; this was about 2 years ago. At the time I was with a great therapist and, decided to talk to her about it what I thought was an affliction. Surprisingly she was able to help allot in answering questions as to why I felt like I should be in a dominate role and in there process allowed me to sort out my head, away from my ultra conservative mom. (an attendee of a church that speaks in toungs s and rolls on the floor seriously tried to "scare the hell" out of me.) Now that I’m removed from that situation I am more free to explore the dominate side of my personality I came here looking for an accepting group of people who I thought would under stand what its like to be looked down on by "outsiders" to the life style but all I am finding is 50 and 60 something’s telling me to shoo away from the life style they them selves have chosen I asked a simple question to find out what answers I would get and I would have never imagined all the negativity I have received.

Btw, why is everyone making the assumption I want a 24/7 sub right away?




LaTigresse -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 10:54:51 AM)

Pull your boxers out! No one assumed you wanted anything beyond what you have stated. Also, not all of us are 50 and 60 somethings, some of us are old decrepit 44 almost 45 year olds. There are even some ancient 30 somethings and 20 somethings.

Pay attention to what Focus said. Someone strolls onto this site wanting to wave the, I am a dominant, flag and get instant respect is ripe for the testing. Quite honestly if you are going to get upset at some words typed on a screen I would advise you not read any of them on this site. BUT if you want to learn a few things, I suggest you toss some cold water on that testosterone fueled fever and pay attention. ESPECIALLY to the 50 and 60 somethings. Sure they are gonna rattle your chain, test you, see what you are made of. It's good for you! It will teach you alot. Not only what their written words are explaining but more importantly how to behave. So far your reaction has gotten you a verbal swat. What did you expect, warm fuzzies??? This ain't preschool kiddo. Like a crazy old man I once knew used to say "if you can't run with the big dogs, don't get off the porch". While it is an over-used and rather annoying quote, it makes some sense.

You can learn alot on this site and you can make some good friends. OR, you can get your feelings hurt and stomp away in a flurry of immature flounciness with a few childish parting shots. The choice is yours, it really doesn't matter to anyone but you.






jefisme03 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 11:09:55 AM)

Really I’m not mad but puzzled focus even states him self that he comments were meant to piss me off is that some one you really want to learn from? Deceit and mind games as I understand it aren’t always the best way to communicate in a bdsm relationship in my searches I have found that most of the time the sub/slave is actually the one in control more than the dom if that rule isn’t up held then there is a high risk of the relationship becoming abusive especially when one partner isn’t being completely truthful about what they need/want what I was saying on the asshole comment is that he seems more interested in rattling cages than actually giving good advice I expect at least the minimum respect any person should expect because respect isn’t something that just the youth are lacking in these days





LaTigresse -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 11:24:49 AM)

Perhaps you missed the intent I percieved.

Someone intentionally tries to rattle your chain, piss you off, just to see how you handle yourself. Consider it no different than any other challenge, a challenge that sets you up to cope in any one of several ways. How you deal with that challenge is the measure of your maturity and self control. If you make a poor choice then you suffer the consequences of that choice. The measure of your intelligence is wether or not, faced with the same challenge you continue to make the same choice.

In life we do not have control over all the challenges we face. We do have control over how we handle them. Even if Focus (I do not know because I do not know the man ) was a total asshole and completely disrespectful to everyone, it should not matter to you ultimately. He has no control over you or anything in your life unless you give it to him. You control your reaction to him unless you give it to him.

In my opinion the greatest Masters, either male or female, have control over themselves first and foremost.

It is the people that challenge us and everything we hold dear, that push us to rethink our preconcieved ideas and jump outside our boxes, those that make us want to beat them silly and NOT in a fun way..........those are the people and situations that help us learn that control, our self domination.

And THAT is what we need, again in my opinion, before we can even begin to take on the role of Leader/Master/Mistress/Dominant.




Focus50 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 1:34:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

I'm sorry to interject (ok, I'm really not but it certainly sounds good to say so), but you never did answer a previous question in another thread as to how it is that you learned what you (purport) to know.  And since it's pertinent to this discussion, I thought it might lend context to your comments.
 
Did you learn what you know with the help from experienced folks in your local community?
 
Did you learn what you know from workshops, demonstrations and other experienced folks in controlled (and supervised) environments?
 
Did you learn what you know from reading books and online websites?
 
Did you learn what you know from trial and error (you make the errors and your submissive pays the price for your mistakes)?
 
I just think it's helpful to have a clear understanding the environment in which your "education" has taken place, and to have a perspective of what "educational process" you might be recommending for others.

"Another thread"?  You mean "References"?  Before you go get yourself flustered *yet again*, here's a copy/paste of the last thing you said to me in that thread:
 
Rover:
"Beyond that, I find no useful purpose discussing anything with you."
 
And now you wanna don the veil of the victim, insinuating I'm dodging you; that I owe you a reply?
 
Crikey Rover, we both know you got your "toast burnt" in that thread and I seem to recall labelling your performance there as not only flustered, but obsessive, too!  And now it seems you're stalking me.... lol
 
This thread is another time and another place....  And I don't respond positively to vacuous loudmouths barracking from the bleachers via "drive by" posts.  You want answers to your questions, start by giving your own to the OP. 
 
But relevant to this topic and the points you have made, a question of my own....  Where and how does anyone get *LIFE* experience?
 
Focus. 




Focus50 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 1:45:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jefisme03

Really I’m not mad but puzzled focus even states him self that he comments were meant to piss me off is that some one you really want to learn from? Deceit and mind games as I understand it aren’t always the best way to communicate in a bdsm relationship in my searches I have found that most of the time the sub/slave is actually the one in control more than the dom if that rule isn’t up held then there is a high risk of the relationship becoming abusive especially when one partner isn’t being completely truthful about what they need/want what I was saying on the asshole comment is that he seems more interested in rattling cages than actually giving good advice I expect at least the minimum respect any person should expect because respect isn’t something that just the youth are lacking in these days

You've gotta be kidding!  My comments were NOT designed to piss you off at all, but to challenge your statement of "i realized im a dom".  All I did was give you a "poke in the ribs" for you to show us what you've got to back that statement up.  And you did.... 
 
The nineties are mercifully gone; you really can't be "anything you want" without some genetic predisposition toward it.  What you learn is merely putting polish to what you already have - or haven't.  You didn't just decide to go to college then show up and get accepted on your say so, did you?
 
And now I'm curious....  After reading a little of the personal history you've since related, you're not thinking that the world of domination and submission is actually some supremicist lifestyle to boost your self esteem, are you?
 
Focus.




goodpet -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 2:02:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jefisme03

lol id love to run all arround the country but alas i am but a poor college kid for now but i will start reading


There are groups in three different directions from you, all at about, or less than, 60 miles.. i do hope that is not what you consider running all around the country.

Some of the advice to spend time as a sub to someone is very good. Yes, i know not all Doms do that, but it often is an excellent learning and growth time. If you seem to have a 'mother' issue, perhaps finding a male Dom to take you on for a year or two of service and training. It does not have to be a sexual thing, just service and training.  you have years ahead, so map out a major plan on how are you going to get this experience you desire? groups, mentoring, training... then see where you are in a couple of years..

Youth often wants it now.. When i discovered there were 'real' people doing this stuff i took the time to map out a course of action, 4 years. Each year was another step in where i wanted to head. a few twists and turns and ended up somewhere slightly different then i thought. but that is the leaning process.

Keep an open mind. Life is about tests.. Everyday is test.  Don’t be surprised when someone older tests you. it does not end just because you graduated high school. 




jefisme03 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 2:04:14 PM)

no not to boost the ego but to satisfy a need either a need to dominate or be dominated




NightWindWhisper -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 2:16:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jefisme03

so im really wanting to explore my dom side i realized im a dom but i live in a verry conservitve area so subs are in short supplyis it really a sub dom relation ship if your kind to your sub or do you absolutely have to be super strict?


Conservative areas generally have the same percentage of kinky people than non-conservative areas, the Hite Report and others indicate that about 12-17% of couples routinely utilize aspects of d/s or bdsm in their sexual relationships.  There are plenty of kinky ladies, the trick is trying to get them to share that fact with you.

In my estimation age is irrelevant to desire.  My younger sister once said to me: “It makes sense that you’re kinky—as a kid all you wanted to do was to tie people up.”  Even at age 13 I loved magazines with images of half-unclothed, bound helpless women with the title of the magazine saying “I was held for ransom in a slave camp.” It took me a while to find out where those camps were though.

Desire does not equate with ability.  With increasing exploration generally comes increasing wisdom and wisdom is paramount to finding that match that you seek. 

Regarding your question consider these scenarios:

Amazingly three delightfully kinky women respond to your profile on collarme.com, each agreeing to a date on three subsequent Saturdays. (Yes--yes, I know....it's fictional....)

The first is shy, demure, a bit cautious, but obviously aroused at the thought of what is to come.  You assume a demanding, firm, super-strict posture, demanding that she place her arms into restraints, which she hesitatingly does but only after you force her to strip for your pleasure.  For the first time you try your new flogger without too much precision or knowledge, “wrapping the tips” and suddenly she starts crying and trembling and asks to be released.  She dresses and runs out the door still teary.

The next week you meet the second woman and she too takes your breath away.  Undaunted by the first experience you assume an even more super-strict attitude.  Amazingly she visibly starts breathing faster, flushes and stares at you with adoring eyes.  You spring into action, binding her wrists telling her of the degradation and humiliation that she is about to receive.  Suddenly the mood changes, for in her mind you were the School Master and she was the errant student about to be coercively disciplined for being caught masturbating in the bathroom.  She wriggles free, smacks you across the face muttering something like “you haven’t got a clue and stomps off shouting “don’t call me buster—I’ll call you.”

The next one stands you up, but reschedules for several weeks later.  You utilize your time wisely reading various books such as “The Loving Dominant” and “Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns" and other books recommended to you in earlier posts.  You also attend a munch and chat with the people there asking questions and listening to other people’s questions.

Finally that fateful Saturday comes and still a bit uncertain you hesitate and just talk with her.  She seems to enjoy this and eventually you find that she too is hesitant though as trust develops she tells you her fantasies, and you hers.  She becomes aroused but still you are leery, not wanting to be smacked again, nor risk a severe case of “blue balls.”  So this time you ask if you can tie her hands behind her back—and she says yes.  You proceed slowly, each exploring each other and sharing, and at the end of the night she says "I have to leave but will you come visit me next Saturday?"  You kiss her on the way out and she whispers—“I wish you’d be a bit more forceful the next time….”

So perhaps you see… Lady one and two were not duds, they simply were not in alignment with you, nor you with them. Perhaps they were, perhaps not, for you never got the chance to find out.  Perhaps they too, in time would enjoy the super-strict dominant, or perhaps you might find that a coercive, seductive attitude is more “you” than you once thought.

The short answer is from the popular song: “…only kindness matters.”  D/s is about each party giving the other pleasure—breach that and don’t expect to get anywhere.  If in time you need to be the “super-strict” dominant to get yourself turned on because that is your “style,” then you may need to search for that submissive/bottom that also desires that.  For her strict treatment is kindness.

Oh btw, though you possibly think that the posted comment about spelling is nonsense consider this.  For many submissives/bottoms intelligence matters hugely.  True, text messaging is acceptable when text messaging or chatting--but do you really want to take a chance that the woman in the dorm down the street who lurks here at collarme.com without a visible profile and who thinks that you're hot and recognizes you from campus life, and who was shocked and pleased to see your profile here might walk away because she, like many others appreciate well structured writing and correlates it with intelligence? Up to you...but I won't take that chance.  For me, good writing and spelling is a respectful thing to do.




Rover -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 3:08:00 PM)

quote:


ORIGINAL: Rover

I'm sorry to interject (ok, I'm really not but it certainly sounds good to say so), but you never did answer a previous question in another thread as to how it is that you learned what you (purport) to know.  And since it's pertinent to this discussion, I thought it might lend context to your comments.
 
Did you learn what you know with the help from experienced folks in your local community?
 
Did you learn what you know from workshops, demonstrations and other experienced folks in controlled (and supervised) environments?
 
Did you learn what you know from reading books and online websites?
 
Did you learn what you know from trial and error (you make the errors and your submissive pays the price for your mistakes)?
 
I just think it's helpful to have a clear understanding the environment in which your "education" has taken place, and to have a perspective of what "educational process" you might be recommending for others.


quote:


"Another thread"?  You mean "References"?  Before you go get yourself flustered *yet again*, here's a copy/paste of the last thing you said to me in that thread:
 
Rover:
"Beyond that, I find no useful purpose discussing anything with you."
 
And now you wanna don the veil of the victim, insinuating I'm dodging you; that I owe you a reply?
 
Crikey Rover, we both know you got your "toast burnt" in that thread and I seem to recall labelling your performance there as not only flustered, but obsessive, too!  And now it seems you're stalking me.... lol
 
This thread is another time and another place....  And I don't respond positively to vacuous loudmouths barracking from the bleachers via "drive by" posts.  You want answers to your questions, start by giving your own to the OP. 
 
But relevant to this topic and the points you have made, a question of my own....  Where and how does anyone get *LIFE* experience?
 
Focus. 




No need, old chap.  You've answered quite clearly.  Carry on.
 
John




NYMaster101 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 3:48:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jefisme03

so im really wanting to explore my dom side i realized im a dom but i live in a verry conservitve area so subs are in short supplyis it really a sub dom relation ship if your kind to your sub or do you absolutely have to be super strict?



Whatever works for both of you is fine.  No couple is the same.[;)]




leathersmith -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/12/2007 6:12:36 PM)

Explore, read, seek advice and ignore lots of it and realize that you are blessed to able to pursue alternative lifestyles. Tip your hat to those who went before you and made it so. Above all, enjoy.
PS if you follow the BS about waiting 10 yrs, you are , ahem,  foolish. Sex drugs and rock and roll are not fatal. I would be living proof or mebbe its just the good who die young. Cheers




Focus50 -> RE: need some friendly dom advice (1/13/2007 2:24:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jefisme03

no not to boost the ego but to satisfy a need either a need to dominate or be dominated

You do realise the last three words you've written here make a significant difference to your original opening post, yes? 
 
I think you need to take a 'time-out' (of indeterminate length) and at least write a profile stating what it is you actually seek.  Because if you're really not sure, and it now seems you're not, what hope does a prospective submissive (or Domme) have!
 
Call me all the names you want but it's time for some honest introspection.  You are soooo not ready to be here just yet, are you?
 
Focus.




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