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Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/27/2006 9:05:19 PM

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Please contemplate these thoughts.
--The average woman starts her child bearing years around 13, and finishes around 40 (approx.). [This is a fact that has not changed since the birth of mankind. We may have extended our life span, but a woman’s child bearing years have not been extended]
--In the 1800’s, many 35 year olds were grand parents, if they lived that long. (This is truth, not a myth)
--It would appear that in the 1800’s the parents had influence on the child, merely for the first 13 years.
--It would appear that in the 1900’s the parents had influence on the child for the first 20 years.
--It would appear that in the year 2006 the parent’s can’t get their 30 year olds to move out.

It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated; the parent’s ability to influence the child has diminished.

It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated, the child’s receptiveness to the parents influence and re-enforcements has diminished.

The lack of hardships currently experienced in our society contributes to our extended lifespan and population growth.

Do you think
1. Lack of parental influence has contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
2. Lack of hardships in a persons life would contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
3. Lack of community influence has contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
(Yes or no, please elaborate)

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/27/2006 9:18:48 PM

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Is this the same as http://www.collarchat.com/m_744786/tm.htm?

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/27/2006 9:23:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: enigmaslave
It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated; the parent’s ability to influence the child has diminished.

I'd disagree with that. I don't think parents ability has diminished at all. I think more distractions have arisen which allow parents to make excuses for their lack of influence. But I think the ability is still there and can be used just as effectively as it ever was.

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It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated, the child’s receptiveness to the parents influence and re-enforcements has diminished.

I haven't noticed this perception whatsoever. I think childrens receptiveness to their parents versus external influences has remained about the same as it ever was.

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The lack of hardships currently experienced in our society contributes to our extended lifespan and population growth

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Only in our well-developed countries really, but yes.

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Do you think
1. Lack of parental influence has contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles

No.

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2. Lack of hardships in a persons life would contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles

Yes- the more leisure time we have from gaining resources to ensure our survival, the more time and resources we have to pursue loftier desires.

If you're starving and dying of TB, you're not really worrying that much about how to find your next flogging.

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3. Lack of community influence has contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
(Yes or no, please elaborate)

Nope, alt societies have always been part of every community, you could in fact make a case that they were part of what makes a community- having an alt community.

People go into alt communities when they feel they have no place in the mainstream, but I haven't noticed any real change in community influence in history.

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/27/2006 10:28:35 PM

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Yes this was posted twice in error,
I'm not entirely sure what I did wrong.
if someone can fix that, I would apreciate that.
My Humble appologies to all

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/27/2006 10:33:20 PM

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--The average woman starts her child bearing years around 13, and finishes around 40 (approx.). [This is a fact that has not changed since the birth of mankind. We may have extended our life span, but a woman’s child bearing years have not been extended]

Women are bearing children well after 40 these days, so that is not exactly true. Sometimes they can use their own eggs prior to menopause, sometimes by using donor eggs and giving birth themselves. A women can even bear children with a donor egg past menopause these days.

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/27/2006 10:39:36 PM

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I think we need to address a possible misconception here.

The Bible says things about people living 800 years and such. Even today we have people living to 100+ but they can't explain it. These two facts together suggest that we are misled.

In this case I am not saying on purpose or maliciously.

First of all, when they speak of the average lifespan in the olden days, say the middle ages, they give an average. What else they gonna do ? It would be ridicukous for them to start up "Well Jeb the Axe lived to be 383 months, Lief the knife lived to be 440 months, and so forth. So what you got is an average.

Now before you behold the marvels of medicine extending life, think of this. Many many people died in wars, or from strife or who knows. They would die at 20 on the battlefield, bring home a disease in some cases and kill their own family. Maybe.

They died in all kinds of accidents and exploratory ventures, as well as wars or battles. So now what do 'they' say ? 35 ? 30 ?. OK, no problem, but if you think about it and they say truthfully that people on average died at 30, some died at birth, plenty died at 20 on the battlefield and who knows what else. The capacity for longevity was there, it was just that shit happened.

Men died while hunting for food, Women died while being robbed by marauders, all kinds of shit happened,

I have studied health and nutrition for a few years now, and I must postulate this. This is my opinion, but it is derived from facts in evidence for the most part.

Although mankind is living longer on average, it is because of the removal of predators and other dangers. It is not because of modern medicine or any change in the genes.

See the way I see it, by their own numbers, 60 was not uncommon, and 0 was not uncommon. When you realize all this is taken with equal weight to an average it is clear that some people did live long lives. With my research backing it up, I say the land is played out and we are malnourished.

So now people die of deficiency or malabsorption diseases instead of a sword through the heart or falling into a cravasse or precipice. Less tribal and less primitive, many less are killed by others.

It used to be that some of us died but the others were healthy, now it is that most are unhealthy. Gestational diabetes is a prima facie, right in your face proof that the diet is not adequate. People just don't see it.

Let's get down to basics shall we ? Where I can really prove this point. People who are 100 years old or more now do not owe their longevity to modern medicine. It wasn't there. It didn't exist yet. How much more do you need ?

Food for thought, bon appetite.

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/28/2006 4:01:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: enigmaslave
It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated; the parent’s ability to influence the child has diminished.

I'd disagree with that. I don't think parents ability has diminished at all. I think more distractions have arisen which allow parents to make excuses for their lack of influence. But I think the ability is still there and can be used just as effectively as it ever was.

I think you are partly correct... In some cases the ability is there and in some cases the desire to do it is there and in most cases the law hinders what you can and can not do. All of mine are now parents and they learned well. Not once did one of mine sum up the intestinal fortitude to call the law on me for reasonable disipline yet I knew way to many that went to jail for it. Parents can only be as effective as the law allows them to be.

As to the OP..

1. My parents had a strong influence in my life, my mother is gone now but my dad is still alive and still has a strong influence in my life and I've been involved in the lifestyle for over 25 years.

2. Define "hardships"? As a child we lived below the poverty line but life wasn't so bad. My mother married money instead of someone she loved, the only real difference was we ate better.

3. Community interest? In me and mine or us in them?

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/28/2006 4:33:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

Please contemplate these thoughts.
--The average woman starts her child bearing years around 13, and finishes around 40 (approx.). [This is a fact that has not changed since the birth of mankind. We may have extended our life span, but a woman’s child bearing years have not been extended]
--In the 1800’s, many 35 year olds were grand parents, if they lived that long. (This is truth, not a myth)
--It would appear that in the 1800’s the parents had influence on the child, merely for the first 13 years.
--It would appear that in the 1900’s the parents had influence on the child for the first 20 years.
--It would appear that in the year 2006 the parent’s can’t get their 30 year olds to move out.

It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated; the parent’s ability to influence the child has diminished.

It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated, the child’s receptiveness to the parents influence and re-enforcements has diminished.

The lack of hardships currently experienced in our society contributes to our extended lifespan and population growth.

Do you think
1. Lack of parental influence has contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
2. Lack of hardships in a persons life would contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
3. Lack of community influence has contributed to interest in the “ALT” lifestyles
(Yes or no, please elaborate)

i don't think parental influence has anything to do with interest in alternative lifestyles. i think with the internet and the information age, we just know about it more. i was raised in a very functional home with lots of affection and influence from my parents, which really only made me feel like there was something "wrong" with me for having these wierd feelings and fantasies. i have had plenty of hardships, so that can't be the reason either.

Some people actively parent and others do not. It is my opinion that since most parents both work, well-intentioned strangers are babysitting our children and no one is really raising them. Perhaps the elongated "nesting" is a result of that, an attempt to make up for the time spent at work when the parent would have liked to be home, but i'm not qualified to answer that question.

To me, BDSM and D/s speaks to the primal areas of my being and that my involvement is a way to get in touch with my core and really has nothing whatsoever to do with my parents, hardships or community influence. i can honestly look back at my pre-pubescent years and see i was born this way.

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/28/2006 6:27:28 AM

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Care to define "ALT life style" for the purposes of this discussion? i hear the phrase tossed out from time to time, but have no concrete idea of what it means (although it smells vaguely of marketing

). "Alternative lifestyle" as in homosexual? "Alt" as in Altered, as in bodyart? "Alt" as in, that which is not academic, technical, or devoted to traditional forms of recreation? Ass, Lettuce, and Tomato? Please 'splain.

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/28/2006 6:42:10 AM

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Nice topic, enigma
Here is my short answer.
I "discovered" this lifestyle about 3 1/2 years
ago, when I began chatting with a submissive online.
I had no idea that this lifestyle really existed, with so
various ways to live it.
I embraced learning and becoming a part of this lifestyle,
because I have always been a Dominant woman.
I found the link that has always been missing in my previous
vanilla relationships.
I wish I had "discovered" this lifestyle earlier, but I discovered
it at the right time for me.
Since I don't see this lifestyle as a game or playtime, I don't see
how the factors you listed effect me.

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/28/2006 12:36:18 PM

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The grouping of lifestyles that would be not concidered "Vanilla"

IMO - Alt Lifestyle is:

Kink
S/M
B/D
Master slave
... etc

< Message edited by enigmaslave -- 12/28/2006 12:38:26 PM >

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RE: Life events contibuting to ALT life style - 12/28/2006 1:56:24 PM

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Hello enigmaslave

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It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated; the parent’s ability to influence the child has diminished.

I would have to agree with LuckyAlbatross in her belief that the parents ability has not diminished, only that other distractions have arisen to give parents an excuse. If you take for example the fact that in most homes both parents now work; television and computers have become 'babysitters'; video games have become entertainment. In the 1800's and early 1900's, a mother working and not staying home was unheard of and frowned upon by most in society. Children of those era's were raised differently, with a different set of values and ideals; I will not say better or worse, only differently.

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It is my perception that even though the “nesting” period has been elongated, the child’s receptiveness to the parents influence and re-enforcements has diminished.

If I am understanding you correctly, then I would have to say that yes, children now a days pay little attention to the teachings of their parents. ( I do not mean to say that this is an absolute for all; only that it has been my observation also ) I believe that much of that comes from an outside influence. Parents have basically lost their ability to parent without outside influence ( shall we say politics here? ) One can not discipline their own child without fear of going to jail; one can not raise their voice to a child without fear of 'damaging' them emotionally or mentally. And children know this growing up. They are reminded constantly that they do not have to put up with such treatment, even from their parents.
( as I said, in no way do I infer that this is an absolute for all; only my observations )

As to whether I think any of this has any influence on whether or not a person will become interested in the 'alt' lifestyle. No.

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