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VeryMercurial -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:04:10 AM)

Now, I know who to thank for Rumsfield and Cheney.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:09:00 AM)

A couple of points:
Ford was on the Warren commission investigating JFK's assassination. They didn't exactly scrutinise the evidence did they?

I thought that the US did have sovereignty of a strip of land through which the Panama canal ran.



VeryMercurial -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:16:19 AM)

His legacy just keeps getting better.



JerseyKrissi72 -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:36:22 AM)

I didn't know much about Ford, honestly, but did some reading and as we all have our good points and bad..he really was a good man...rest in peace.[:)]



thompsonx -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:40:47 AM)

seeksfemslave:
You might want to take a look at the two books I cited earlier in this post.
thompson



candystripper -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 9:45:21 AM)

i despised Nixon and when he died, i did feel sorry for his family, but i still felt the same about him.  Ford's pardon is arguable; maybe it closed a wound and maybe it covered up a massive criminal enterprise.  i can look at it either way.
 
i fail to see the point of any further acting out -- or speaking out -- against a public official after his death.  Seems like time to let go of the anger.
 
On the other hand, i cannot abide either Bill or Hillary.....so i may have to eat these words.
 
candystripper



thompsonx -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 2:39:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

i despised Nixon and when he died, i did feel sorry for his family, but i still felt the same about him.  Ford's pardon is arguable; maybe it closed a wound and maybe it covered up a massive criminal enterprise.  i can look at it either way.
 
i fail to see the point of any further acting out -- or speaking out -- against a public official after his death.  Seems like time to let go of the anger.
 
On the other hand, i cannot abide either Bill or Hillary.....so i may have to eat these words.
 
candystripper

candystripper:
Fords pardon is clear proof that there is one law for the rich and powerful and another set of laws for the rest of us.
Nixon got to retire with a fat pension and the good life.  The rest of us get the slammer and possible deportation.  Some will say that he suffered because his loss of prestiege etc.  I say they should have treated them more harshley than any other common criminal because of the high office they held and the disgrace they brought to it.  It never ceases to amaze me that some total asshole dies and suddenly he becomes "good ol' whats his name" .  Nixon was an asshole and Ford was an asshole for pardoning him...they should have tossed both of them in the joint for twenty years and when they got out they both should have been stripped of their US citizenship and tossed out of the country with nothing but the clothes the prison gave them on release.  Maybe that would send a clear message to would-be crooked politicians.
I think here is the point where I should invite all on these boards who are going on and on about illegal aliens who break the law by entering this country illegaly to add their names to this rant. 
This is not a red and blue thing it is an asshole thing.
Rant over.
thompson



Chaingang -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 3:02:30 PM)

Thompson:

My sentiments exactly. Falsely honoring the dead seems a lot like rewriting history to me. I would have spit on him then and I might do so still if I ever find myself before his grave.



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 5:59:20 PM)

the "real" loss was James Brown (IMHO)



thompsonx -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 6:08:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

the "real" loss was James Brown (IMHO)


The mans music will be missed but never forgoten.
thompson



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 6:11:27 PM)

that is so true



Lordandmaster -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:09:30 PM)

Yup.  Can't wait to hear what they're going to say about W when he dies.  Worst president in American history?  Well, probably, but he was a great baseball owner and walked with the Lord.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

It never ceases to amaze me that some total asshole dies and suddenly he becomes "good ol' whats his name"



dcnovice -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:38:53 PM)

Slate has an interesting article, which argues that those of us who live inside the Beltway have tended to overrate Ford.

"The American electorate," Timothy Noah writes, "got Ford more right than the Washington mandarins. Permanent Washington believes the Nixon pardon was an act of martyrdom, a necessary gesture allowing the country to move on—even Bob Woodward thinks so—but, in fact, the American system of government was sturdy enough to withstand any prosecution of Richard Nixon."

Something to think about.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:40:14 PM)

You know, Gerald Ford was a good football player.



mnottertail -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 8:47:54 PM)

This is worse than Eisenhower, we are gonna haul this guy around until he stinks.
 



UtopianRanger -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/28/2006 9:58:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

thompsonx:
I stand corrected, I was thinking of North Korea and withdrawl from the Nuclear NonProlif Treaty and subsequent actions.
As for the Panama Canal, it was the operations we gave up, not ownership. I made a general assumption that that part was understood. Even Hilary agrees with me on that one.

In any case, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I was simply pointing out, they all do some pretty questionable things.

                     mbmbn


No need to stand corrected, mbmbn -- You were right the first time. The reciprocal effects from technology transfers to Israel, China and Russia that violated our national security is in large part responsible for Iran's purported development of both sophisticated conventional and nuclear weaponry - Shit floats and rolls down hill.

The book '' Deception'' by Charles R Smith --who broke open the China-Gate scandal -- goes into great detail with regard to the trickle-down effects from these technology sales/transfers. There are pages and pages of top secret documents that have been declassified and obtained through the Freedom of Information Act in this book. In other words.....the author isn't hypothesizing; you're getting the straight truth as told through declassified FBI investigations and other top secret documents.
http://www.amazon.com/Deception-Charles-R-Smith/dp/0976116804

For anyone that wants a citation.

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Gerald Ford's Legacy: Cheney and Rumsfeld"
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=151567

"...Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush--that's the legacy of Gerald Ford."


Yes.....And it was Cheney and Rumsfeld who were behind getting rid of Kissinger ; now they're all back together again - The irony!  

Earlier tonight I listened to Woodward’s last interview with Ford back in 2003. He really took some good shots at Bush, Cheney, Kissinger and their latest transgressions. But he didn't have the balls to let Woodward release the tapes until after his death.

I'd say Gerald Ford --for the short time he was there -- was a whole hellva lot better than the last three shysters who've managed to occupy the west wing.



 - R



Lordandmaster -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/29/2006 4:02:09 AM)

To me that's like saying that having to lick someone's ass is not quite as bad as having to suck their cock.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I'd say Gerald Ford --for the short time he was there -- was a whole hellva lot better than the last three shysters who've managed to occupy the west wing.



Sinergy -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/29/2006 8:41:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

i despised Nixon



I could not stand Nixon either.  Until I studied his administration in College.

He was a deeply moody, paranoid, unforgiving person.  Yet he surrounded himself with some of the brightest minds he could find and was an excellent president.  There was a good fit between his mental issues and the job he was elected to do.

He was the right man for the job at that time.  I admire him for some of the things he did, and I dont admire him for other things he did.

Of course, power corrupts, and he let his desire for more terms get in the way of adhering to the oath of office.

I got into an argument on this board when Reagan died with people who expounded on what a great man he was.  All I did was ask "what exactly did Reagan do which made him a great man?" and I got shouted down.

I am uncertain what Gerald Ford did that made him a great president either.  Of course, the same thing could be said about Jimmy Carter.  These are two examples of people who did a lousy job running the country, and were absolutely excellent ex-presidents.

Sinergy



UtopianRanger -> RE: Gerald R. Ford, R.I.P. (12/29/2006 8:46:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

To me that's like saying that having to lick someone's ass is not quite as bad as having to suck their cock.

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I'd say Gerald Ford --for the short time he was there -- was a whole hellva lot better than the last three shysters who've managed to occupy the west wing.




Yes LaM….. I guess you could break it down as a ''lesser of two evils'' argument in the past tense. Isn’t that what all the new posters on collarme will be doing in about six months from now, when all the crapy candidates who’ve already been mentioned start their new campaigns? [8|]






- R




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