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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/26/2006 1:51:54 PM   
MaryT


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Many make the mistake of picking out a scene and thinking that is not “realistic.” The purpose of a book or movie is not to be a newspaper account, but to tell us what really happened on a much higher level.


I do not agree that is the case with most popular fiction, certainly with most movies/TV, etc.  Most of it caters to the ego and is a pacifier for the brain; it's escapism.  Some literature and film shoots for something higher, but that's not usually the stuff that sells.

MaryT

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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/26/2006 2:45:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is what I love about film... so many differing viewpoints, and none of them are necessarily right or wrong. In fact, the only thing I take exception with is the insinuation that the movies of the last fifteen years are inferior to movies made earlier. Different eras, different audiences, etcetera.

As for Secretary, it was a well done movie. That's a good first step. It was interesting, entertaining, and it got attention in a good way. If you need your lifestyle represented on film for it to be justified, then this is a good start.

But it's just a movie, when it's all said and done. It's not a condemnation of anyone, or anything else.


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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/26/2006 2:58:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, there are alot of great movies made in the last 15 years. My DVD collection can attest to that.

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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/26/2006 8:06:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree as well.  I saw it with gretchen when we first started dating.  While it isn't an epic masterpiece wrapped in a documentary, it gives an on-screen representation of what many people have a difficult time giving words and feelings to, off-screen.  It was definately worth the $3.25 (US) I spent for both of us to see in the theatre.

The mistake we're really making is expecting Hollywood to accurately portray something that we - as a community - can barely accurately describe ourselves.  Naturally, we can point to the characters and rattle off their flaws.  Obviously we can tear the script apart and identify it's (many...many....) failings.  That begs the question though:  if we can do it better, what's stopping us?


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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/27/2006 2:29:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

'The Secretary', 'The Story of O', and most recently 'The Pet';


Never saw the Secretary

The submissive I was seeing for a while a while ago liked it very much

She had a real vanillia vanillia lifestyle except when it came to the bedroom and spanking...she did rather well with all that I introduced her to

Perhaps I should pick up a copy of each of the forementioned movies and put the best of them together.

Christmas gift I got was Studio Plus Titanium Edition (DVD movie editing ect)...I tried the Adobe Elements but could not install it as it needed SSE2 (processor component) which was a real disapointment...seems they should stress that more on the box as the system I built exceeded all the basic requirements on the box.

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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/27/2006 2:50:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MaryT

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Many make the mistake of picking out a scene and thinking that is not “realistic.” The purpose of a book or movie is not to be a newspaper account, but to tell us what really happened on a much higher level.


I do not agree that is the case with most popular fiction, certainly with most movies/TV, etc.  Most of it caters to the ego and is a pacifier for the brain; it's escapism.  Some literature and film shoots for something higher, but that's not usually the stuff that sells.

MaryT



Sure there are boiler plate books and movies. My point was not to deny there is lots of pulp fiction. As far as TV, I read somewhere that networks do studies of the audiences and design shows to fit the demographics such as an IQ level of low normal. However, I think The Secretary was serious film/fiction. Same with 9 1/2 Weeks. I was, more or less, giving my view on why a work of art will not always be realistic as it works in the medium to convey a deeper understanding. Yep, you are right about 75% of the stuff out there.

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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/27/2006 6:40:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't seen the movie, The Secretary but I read the short story it was supposedly based on.  A friend/colleague was using both in a college class she was teaching on popular culture and, because she had no personal interest/experience in the so called lifestyle, was picking my brain for my perspective as a submissive.  Most of our conversation focused on how "hollywood" waters down and sanitizes every day ordinary boring horrors that people are familiar with because they live them, and then replaces that with sensationalist content drawn from more or less underground subcultures in order to generate interest and market their wares.  According to her, a comparison between the movie and the story illustrates this point.  I don't know for sure, because I haven't seen the movie so I'm taking her word for it.

But, after this conversation, my friend gave me a copy of the story, and when I read it I was blown away.   What stands out in my mind as the defining moment of the protagonists character was when she was interviewing for the job as the secretary and she was informed that "the work was dull."  Her response was simple: "I like dull work."

The dullness, the boredom, the emptiness.  How can a movie capture that and expect to make money in an industry that is supposed to entertain?

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RE: It's what you don't see. - 12/27/2006 9:29:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The physical stuff, public or private, makes the distinction,............ but it doesn't make the relationship. Unless/until they decide to write and produce THAT movie, the representation of 'lifestyle' people will be minimally socially functioning, psychologically damaged, outcasts.


Precisely why I waited until my thirties to "come out".
 
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Thanks for the insightful topic, Merc and beth!

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