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Voltare -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 7:07:56 PM)

For nobody in particular,

Gorean concepts rest on an essentially male dominant ethos.  Women aren't automatically viewed as slaves, though in (almost) all practical respects they are seen as submissive to men.  As it applies to 'real time' Goreans, just like their BDSM counterparts, the role of a Free Woman is a self-identified, and consensual one. 

So as the r/lers breaks it down, there are men (Free Men), women (Free Women), kajira (female slaves) and kajirii (male slaves.)  Free Women are (usually) submissive to Free Men, and slaves are always submissive to Free.  As one would guess, male slaves are uncommon, though not unheard of.

Stephan




domiguy -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 7:17:07 PM)

So again in the gorean lifestyle...how did they get rid of all of those "tribbles"?

And when is our next Scientology meeting?

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.




Voltare -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 7:21:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

So again in the gorean lifestyle...how did they get rid of all of those "tribbles"?

And when is our next Scientology meeting?

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.


See, nobody laughed because it wasn't funny in the first place.

So, a koala walks into a bar.  He hops up on a stool, and orders a double bourbon.  Three drinks later, the bartender says there's some action in the back room.  The koala stumbles in, and twenty minutes later, is laying next to the hooker, exhausted.  She looks at him and says 'That's fifty bucks.' 

The koala looks confused.  The hooker grabs a dictionary, and shows him next to the word 'Prostitute' -

"Has sex for money." 

The koala grabs the dictionary, and flips to 'koala' -

"Eats bush and leaves."




Quebie -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 7:29:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Tal and greetings MaryT
 
Yes everything that has been said here is true in Gorean terms.  I must say I am amazed at those here and their knowledge of Gor.  One thing that I may want to clarify is that a Free Woman and Free Companion of Gor were not protected from being enslaved.  The Male Free Companion could collar her for the slightest displeasure.  In many of the Cities laws were created which punishment was enslavement.  For example in the City of Ar, if a Free Woman was caught "Couching" (meaning having sex) with a slave male or female, she would be collared herself.  However, in some Cities, a Free Woman or Free Compaion could take the issue to a Magertrate who would rule in her being collared or have the collar removed.
 
The Free Compaion concept has it orgin in the old Celtic "Hand Fasting".  This was also done for a year, in fact the Cermony pledge is called "A Year and Day".  This cermony is still in partice today.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro


Tal and greetings

While I report to know nothing of the ceremonies of others, still I know a little about the FC of Goreans.. know a little more about Goreans and the phillosophies they follow, before you make such a casual comment that literally dismisses the import of Free Companionship.. they were never entered lightly and were very often only sundered by death.. not the enslavement of one by the other for a 'minor' infraction. To state that a FC may be enslaved simply for displeasing her Companion is to so belittle the FC as to make it meaningless and truly shows a lack of understanding of the gorean phillosophies and their implementation. The free companion is held in a status higher than that of the married woman and her companionship is held higher even that of marriage.

A free woman’s name, of course, tends to remain constant. A Gorean free woman does not change her name in the ceremony of the Free Companionship. She remains who she was. In such a ceremony two free individuals have elected to become companions. The Earth woman, as a consequence of certain mating ceremonials, may change her last name. The first and other names, however, tend to remain constant.
......
From the Gorean point of view the wife of Earth occupies a status which is higher than that of the slave but lower than that of the Free Companion.
Explorers of Gor, Page 365


"She is a slave," I said, "not a free companion, who may not be touched, to whom nothing may be done, even if she turns your life into a torture, even if she drives you mad, even if she intends to destroy you, hort by hort."
Magicians of Gor, Page 467






akbarbarian -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 7:44:47 PM)

I have the first fifteen books, and I really like them.  It's like conan meets D/s.  Being dominant for me permeates all parts of me, not just my sexuality so I can identify with the idea of D/s being a whole person thing and not just a kinks and kicks thing which it can be for the less serious people.




Nosathro -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 8:05:27 PM)

Tal Quebie
 
It was not the purpose of my post to in anyway show that Free Women and a Free Compaion had the same status as a slave.  In fact Free Women in Gor achieved high politcal office such as a Tatrix.  And as I wrote in some cities a free women enslaved could be subject to judical review.  What I was trying to convey was a Free Compaion was still subject to a Man's rule.  I can't remember how many time Tarl Cabot collared his Free Compaion Talena.  And not even a Tatrix was exempt from being collared and enslaved.  If you want a quote here one:
 
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Goreans have a theory that there are only two sorts of women, slaves and slaves.
Players of Gor - Page 62

 
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro
 
 
 






Voltare -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 8:07:55 PM)

Urm... guys, this really isn't the best place to air Gorean trivia.




Nosathro -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 8:25:28 PM)

Tal LaTigress
 
First off let me say I have been fighting not to make this post but alass...
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From what I have seen...........the puppies would have more rights.

 
Your comment brings to mind an incident at a SCA War.  My group is patterned after 11th Century Normans.  One day a group of Polically Correct Historians showed up at the War and complained of how we recreated a period in time when women were so badly treated.  Several women in our group dress in middle eastern clothing and are slaves brought back from the First Cursade.  I countered the PC group that it was not so that the Normans had high value for women, it is true that Normans being mounted Knights also had a high value for horses.  Then another Knight added "Aye, but a Man would get more for the horse then he would the woman" (How true)[:D]
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro




Nosathro -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 8:29:13 PM)

Tal and greetings domiguy
quote:


So again in the gorean lifestyle...how did they get rid of all of those "tribbles"?


Gor did not have tribbles they had urts.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro




MaryT -> RE: Free Companion? (12/26/2006 8:35:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: akbarbarian

I have the first fifteen books, and I really like them.  It's like conan meets D/s.  Being dominant for me permeates all parts of me, not just my sexuality so I can identify with the idea of D/s being a whole person thing and not just a kinks and kicks thing which it can be for the less serious people.


Well, it's a bit more difficult to grasp if you are a woman not into all the poly stuff.  And an English major to boot ... ya want a review of how well those books are written?  I couldn't tell you; never managed to finish one.  Reading one was too much punishment to bear.  If I'd have been under the gun (required to read it) - I'd have safeworded out of it.   There's torture ... then there's torture. [:)]

I get that some people connect to D/s from that.  Some of us used Disney ... pretty colors, flying monkeys, princes and dragons ... what more could a person want?

MaryT




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Free Companion? (12/27/2006 3:00:07 AM)

Oh hell, no. Disney and those type shows nearly ruined me. The girls always liked the guys who never had a sexual thought, who said gee whiz all the time and never made them do anything. I used to try to get the sexual-bdsm thoughts out of my head and look innocent so I could be like the mindless good guys in the shows whose dads were always sheriffs or something.




Voltare -> RE: Free Companion? (12/27/2006 5:37:02 AM)

Rights... I remember when I was in the Marines, they would ask us if we were more interested in the Corps for the good chow, or the chance to kill.  The food was terrible, so what's that tell ya?

If a girl want's more rights, she's welcome to stay on her side of the BDSM preference chart.  It doesn't work for everyone.




LaTigresse -> RE: Free Companion? (12/27/2006 7:56:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Tal LaTigress
 
First off let me say I have been fighting not to make this post but alass...
quote:


From what I have seen...........the puppies would have more rights.

 
Your comment brings to mind an incident at a SCA War.  My group is patterned after 11th Century Normans.  One day a group of Polically Correct Historians showed up at the War and complained of how we recreated a period in time when women were so badly treated.  Several women in our group dress in middle eastern clothing and are slaves brought back from the First Cursade.  I countered the PC group that it was not so that the Normans had high value for women, it is true that Normans being mounted Knights also had a high value for horses.  Then another Knight added "Aye, but a Man would get more for the horse then he would the woman" (How true)[:D]
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro


And hello to you Nosathro,

Thank you for the fun. I suppose perceived value all depends upon the market. In a brief survey of my daily companions their ranking went rather like this. One being most important and most highly valued aspect of life. Ten being the least valued/important.

1.) Woman
2.) pets/kids
3.) automobile
4.) useful household stuff
5.)
6.)
7.)
8.)
9.)
10.) men

With 5 thru 9 to be determined.

I remember back in the day, telling a spouse this "Do not ever say, "it is the dog/cat/horse or me!!" Because I will say "bye bye!""
Oddly, I know many women that feel similarly.........[:D]

LT




CreativeDominant -> RE: Free Companion? (12/27/2006 5:43:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

dammit.. and here I thought someone was giving away puppies for Christmas..

Grrrrr   [:@] 


Someone offered up benji?  [8|]

Of course, I've been told I was a dog too...but I don't think they meant it in a nice, puppy-like way.....




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