I Walk the Line ... but where is it??

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MmakeMme -> I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 1:44:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer LOL I love something I read on the Butchmann's website years ago. Paraphrased A Master is not always right, but the slave does not submit to the Master's rightness, they submit to the Master. Obedince is not contingent on the Master being right. I pulled this out of another thread so as not to hijack. Suppose a Master told His slave to rob a bank, spread a disease, kill someone, etc. I realized this is extreme but it leaves room for a great gray area of discussion. Where does one draw the line at following a direct order from her Master / Dominant?

sub4hire -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 1:48:00 PM)
Should we assume there is no give and take in a lifestyle relationship? Unless someone is an absolute doormat there is still give and take. Communication, and if there is communication we do not blindly obey. By blindly obeying someone I don't believe that is submission at all. I know my dom as well as many others believe the same way. They want a submissive with a mind who can challenge them when needed to make them better people overall. Yet you obey when needed as well. Just because one asks a question does not mean they are not obeying. Maybe it should read, Where is the line drawn between doormat and submissive?

Kalira -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 1:49:03 PM)
quote: Where does one draw the line at following a direct order from her Master / Dominant? I don't draw the line. I rely on the trust that I placed in Master for him to draw the line for me.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 1:51:54 PM)
I don't. If I would do something, I'd do it whether someone told me to do it or not. If I wouldn't do something, I wouldn't do it whether someone told me not to or not. That's why making the choice to be with someone who will match with eachothers accepted limits is so important.

drawntothedark -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 1:52:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sub4hire Maybe it should read, Where is the line drawn between doormat and submissive? I think a doormat is someone who is pretty much ready to trade.....her mind, body. soul, morals, exsistance for anyone who will show her affections, or a place by their side. I do not consider these people submissives. I feel they need therapy not a Dom.

akisha -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 2:06:39 PM)
LA took the words right out of my mouth. As a thinking individual, i would not do something just because I was told to if it goes against absolutely everything I believe in. If my Domiant/Master left me or kicked me out because of it then I am obviously better off anyway.

onestandingstill -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 2:11:18 PM)
For me this is a question that is pretty clear to me. I would not have a Dom who wanted to rob people, spread disease, or kill someone. It would be time to walk away if a Dom I served seriously thought I'd do these things as it would show me he must not have been who I thought he was at all to start with. No- I would not obey as it's not consensual to the parties you affect by these gestures on your Dom's behalf.

yourMissTress -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 2:13:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmakeMme quote: ORIGINAL: Archer LOL I love something I read on the Butchmann's website years ago. Paraphrased A Master is not always right, but the slave does not submit to the Master's rightness, they submit to the Master. Obedince is not contingent on the Master being right. I pulled this out of another thread so as not to hijack. Suppose a Master told His slave to rob a bank, spread a disease, kill someone, etc. I realized this is extreme but it leaves room for a great gray area of discussion. Where does one draw the line at following a direct order from her Master / Dominant? IMO, one should draw the line when what they are ordered to do violates their moral and ethical code. You (the collective you) are not released from responsibility, or more importantly conscience, simply because you were ordered to do something. As has been stated in this thread, submission is not blind. It is a conscious act to submit to the will of another.

Archer -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 2:17:50 PM)
Well the line should have been found before the relationship got very deep. (ie you find out the moral fiber of a person before you commit not after) Legally speaking the order would make you both criminals. You for acting on it and them for conspiracy to commit. But that is not the rightness I or the writter was discussing. Just so folks know my possition the question is one that has been discussed before. Does moral responiityever cross over completely?

TopinPa -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 2:23:56 PM)
I wouldn't be with a woman that would rob a bank just because I told her to do it... I prefer a girl that makes sound choices; like submitting to me

slavejali -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 2:27:42 PM)
quote: Well the line should have been found before the relationship got very deep. (ie you find out the moral fiber of a person before you commit not after) Exactly...

AquaticSub -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 3:29:24 PM)
There are many things that I will do just because my dominant tells me to. Things that affect other people, particularly negatively, I will not do. I gave him my consent for him to work his will upon me. They didn't.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 3:55:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmakeMme quote: ORIGINAL: Archer LOL I love something I read on the Butchmann's website years ago. Paraphrased A Master is not always right, but the slave does not submit to the Master's rightness, they submit to the Master. Obedince is not contingent on the Master being right. I pulled this out of another thread so as not to hijack. Suppose a Master told His slave to rob a bank, spread a disease, kill someone, etc. I realized this is extreme but it leaves room for a great gray area of discussion. Where does one draw the line at following a direct order from her Master / Dominant? I have been told a story about something like these scenarios by one of my gurus. The ensuing discussion lead me to my opinion. In my opinion, the line comes into play when doing such activity would reduce your "fitness" for service. You can't properly serve from jail, maimed, psychologically damaged or dead. In my world, a slave always has one choice: to obey or not. There are consequences to doing both. Master Fire

diamonddreamlove -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 5:01:03 PM)
My line was drawn when i choose to submit to Sir. Had He been one that would not put my welfare first over a command He would not be in my life now. Fortunately i am as safe with Him as i can or would ever be with anyone else.

catfood -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 5:15:24 PM)
jeez, trying not to rant. three words: safe, SANE, and consentual.

LTRsubNW -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 6:19:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmakeMme quote: ORIGINAL: Archer LOL I love something I read on the Butchmann's website years ago. Paraphrased A Master is not always right, but the slave does not submit to the Master's rightness, they submit to the Master. Obedince is not contingent on the Master being right. I pulled this out of another thread so as not to hijack. Suppose a Master told His slave to rob a bank, spread a disease, kill someone, etc. I realized this is extreme but it leaves room for a great gray area of discussion. Where does one draw the line at following a direct order from her Master / Dominant? I don't know...maybe it's just me but, anything that potentially puts me in a position to have provided for me free lifetime housing, paid for by the state, surrounded by lots of really over excercised men who look at me seductively and too often seem to think my name is "Nancy"...those are things my Domme shouldn't ask me to do for her.

akisha -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 6:29:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Well the line should have been found before the relationship got very deep. (ie you find out the moral fiber of a person before you commit not after) In an ideal world yes, but this is not always true, unfortunately [:o]

Missokyst -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 6:52:04 PM)
My line was drawn when I developed my morality. Choosing wisely makes sense. But what happens when what was sense, changes over time? My line is always going to fall back on what I deem is appropriate. I alone, should be responsible for my actions. There is no excuse in, "but he told me to do it!" Kyst

Wildfleurs -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 7:03:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmakeMme Suppose a Master told His slave to rob a bank, spread a disease, kill someone, etc. I realized this is extreme but it leaves room for a great gray area of discussion. Where does one draw the line at following a direct order from her Master / Dominant? Another "when did you stop beating your wife?" type question (no offense meant, but seriously its all predicated on when the beating began... or in your question when the insanity begins). C~

Tikkiee -> RE: I Walk the Line ... but where is it?? (12/5/2006 7:44:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I don't. If I would do something, I'd do it whether someone told me to do it or not. If I wouldn't do something, I wouldn't do it whether someone told me not to or not. That's why making the choice to be with someone who will match with eachothers accepted limits is so important. Yep, I pretty much agree with what LA said here

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