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Fish illness Question - 12/3/2006 9:45:13 PM   
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One of our fish who we call Pooh has become really bloated/fat. He's all puffy and swollen. His scales are all puffed out like spikes. He's a small yellow/orange fish that's similar to the African Chilad. Unless he happens to be a pregnant she, I don't know what to think. As for now, we have Pooh seperated from the other fish. They seem to be doing fine. Pooh is still swiming and eating as normal but he dose not look very comfortable looking so stuffed. I'll be taking him to Petco after work tommorow. Would anyone happen to know what might be wrong with my fish?

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/3/2006 9:49:57 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_Dropsy

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/4/2006 1:45:47 PM   
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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/4/2006 1:48:10 PM   
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Apparently Pooh has been involved in some unsafe scat play.

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/4/2006 2:20:17 PM   
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lmaooooo  RON!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh my

em.. before Ron made me about fall out of my chair laughing....

i was going to say something about.....

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/4/2006 3:27:22 PM   
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as one of the other posters said, it could be dropsy (which unfortunetly is almost always fatal.)  If the scales are sticking out or "pineconing" its dropsy.

Constipation is another posibility?  How often do you feed, and what do you feed?  What kind of fish is it?

Unfortunetly the employees at petco aren't a great source for fish diagnoses.... they are also the kind of people who tell customers they can keep a goldfish (or several goldfish) in a small bowl or tank.  Not the kind of people you really want to get advice from.


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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/4/2006 6:08:26 PM   
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Hello A/all,

In a former life, I ran a business as an Aquarium cleaner / installer sort of person and have had aquariums most of my life.

I will start off by saying that I will send flowers to Mopsy or Eustace or whatever the little bloated fish is named.

Your fish tank is a closed system which is stable (or not) based on the chemical levels in the water.  If you have a lot of water (I generally would not own a tank less than 200 gallons) or fish (like African Cichlids) which allow you to spill your clorox in the tank and they dont care, you will occaisionally lose fish but in general they will be very happy.

The cool thing about Cichlids is when one of them becomes sick, the other fish in the tank name him Lunch.  Problem solved.

What people typically do is see Fluffy all bloated, and throw in medication to kill whatever ails Fluffy, based on the advice of the people at Petco.  This is all well and good, except the medication kills all the bacteria (nitrogen fixing) in your filter beds and gravel which convert urine and fecal matter from ammonia to nitrates to nitrites and nitrogen gas and oxygen and eventually get rid of what will mess up your chemical levels.  I might have nitrites and nitrates backwards, one is NO2 and one is NO3.

This is not really a problem in 200 gallons of water, since fish generally do not really defecate enough to cause a problem.  Bacteria has this strange tendency to not die off completely and rebuild their populations in short order, easier in a large volume of water than a small one.  But in a small tank with the fish crapping and the like, now you have a tank of fish with compromised immune systems from water quality issues and all sorts of lovely new illnesses cropping up.

I never medicated my tank.  Skittles gets sick.  Hasta la vista, baby.  But then, the carnage in my tank was so extensive (the aquarium store guy would sell me fish saying they would survive my gore-fest, and of all the ones he recommended the strongest ones lasted 4 days even though they were 2x the size, and a school of 5, than the cichlids) and my fish were generally so healthy that it was not a big problem.  I love cichlids. 

Well, my 23 inch Arowana was kinda fun too, although he and the red eared slider turtle used to come to blows.  The turtle would piss off the Arowana, who would strike him like a snake and knock him against the glass of the tank.  After which the turtle would look at the Arowana, presumably thinking "Dude, Im wearing armor, are you a moron?"

Perhaps I anthropomorphize my pets a bit too much.

Feeding night was a party with friends and beer.  There would be betting.  Sometimes I would invite them over when I rearranged the rocks.  Nobody in the tank died, usually, but the next 3 days would be epic battles while they reestablished their territories.

The other thing they will tell you to do is put Rover in an isolation tank, generally a 1 gallon aquarium they sell you.  You medicate this tank.  There is never a functional filter bed, and Rover does the Big Float because of all the wastes not being taken care of.

If your fish are getting ill, I would suggest that you might be feeding them too much.  Cut it back some, or get another filter to suck up the excess goo.  A good rule to follow is to feed your fish a pinch or two at a time, and stop feeding them when the first bit of food touches the bottom of the tank.

Good luck!

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/5/2006 7:03:00 PM   
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Dear God, this is horrible. We're loosing our first fish before Christmass during the holiday season and there's not a damn thing I can do about it.

What's the humane method in ending Poohs suffering and laying him to rest?



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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/5/2006 7:07:47 PM   
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I had an Oscar once that got incurably sick. The local pet store advised me to put him in a large Ziploc bag of water and put him in the freezer. They said as the water cooled his system would simply slow down and he would go to sleep....don't know if that is true or they were just trying to make me feel better about the whole thing.

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/5/2006 7:13:56 PM   
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The water freezing trick is a good one, although I prefer fish bags - the shape is better so the fish can swim happily in circles for his remaning hour.

Although with my almost all catfish tank I have going right now, a carcass lasts 12 minutes.

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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/5/2006 7:49:29 PM   
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Pure alcohol is another choice.  When I've had to put fish down.. I always thought freezing to death was just cruel if its not a coldwater fish.  I like the alcohol method because its quicker.

a good site to read is :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/faustus/nicoldaquaria/euthanasia.htm

It lists all the varries different ways and the pros & cons.  I reccommend skipping the first couple if you are very attached to your fish.  Those concepts (while the least cruel if done right) are a comfortable concept for most people.


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RE: Fish illness Question - 12/6/2006 8:42:01 PM   
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Thanks for the advise everyone. As it turns out, my neighbors cat voluntered to put Pooh out of his misery.

Happy Holidays everyone.

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