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Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 7:23:13 AM   
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lol so WHO voted Bush? in here?

http://www.ctnow.com/custom/nmm/newhavenadvocate/hce-nha-1123-nh48bushbash48.artnov23,0,1695911.story



Lohse’s study, backed by SCSU Psychology professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a correlation between the severity of a person’s psychosis and their preferences for president: The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Bush.
“Our study shows that psychotic patients prefer an authoritative leader,” Lohse says. “If your world is very mixed up, there’s something very comforting about someone telling you, ‘This is how it’s going to be.’”



“Bush supporters had significantly less knowledge about current issues, government and politics than those who supported Kerry,” the study says.
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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 7:24:55 AM   
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are psychotic people generally happier or sadder than the norm?

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 7:54:18 AM   
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Studies are subjective - for every argument one person makes, someone else as an argument equally compelling in the reverse.

Most people who tout themselves as experts, aren't.  The ones that are experts usually don't blow their horns too much - they are too much in what they are doing to be concerned about much else.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 8:35:55 AM   
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are psychotic people generally happier or sadder than the norm?

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They are more generous

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 8:37:03 AM   
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Studies are subjective - for every argument one person makes, someone else as an argument equally compelling in the reverse.

Most people who tout themselves as experts, aren't.  The ones that are experts usually don't blow their horns too much - they are too much in what they are doing to be concerned about much else.


Agree 100%, especially on public experts. Generally speaking the more one huffs and puffs to and tries to be all knowing the less they really know. The ones doing the doing are too busy and think the others are idiots and a waste of their time.


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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 8:55:14 AM   
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Studies are subjective - for every argument one person makes, someone else as an argument equally compelling in the reverse.

Most people who tout themselves as experts, aren't.  The ones that are experts usually don't blow their horns too much - they are too much in what they are doing to be concerned about much else.


This brings up a natural question in my mind, do you only get offended when a liberal expert makes outrageous claims, or do you get likewise outraged when claims are made against liberals? I ask because there were a couple of threads recently about how stingy liberals are and how much happier conservatives are... I did not see you post on either of these threads.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 9:22:23 AM   
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I don't like Bush & neither does my invisable friend Chaim.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 9:25:17 AM   
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Studies are subjective - for every argument one person makes, someone else as an argument equally compelling in the reverse.

Most people who tout themselves as experts, aren't.  The ones that are experts usually don't blow their horns too much - they are too much in what they are doing to be concerned about much else.


This brings up a natural question in my mind, do you only get offended when a liberal expert makes outrageous claims, or do you get likewise outraged when claims are made against liberals? I ask because there were a couple of threads recently about how stingy liberals are and how much happier conservatives are... I did not see you post on either of these threads.


I thought the other post you were talking about was started as a joke.  Also, why do you assume I was offended by the post - my response didn't deliniate between liberal and conservative studies; you are the one that added 2 + 2 and got 5.

Besides, I don't respond to every post nor feel the need to.  Sometimes I just read the posts from the fringe groups and shake my head to myself; occasionally, I like to stir the pot just because it's irrating to read some people's posts who take themselves and their expertise way too seriously.

I've never claimed to have all the answers; but I do have experiences and opinions in some areas and that's the extent of my expertise.  I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I do expect to be permitted to state opinions that others don't agree with - unless of course they don't really believe in free thinking ;-)

Personally, I think it's important to have people of differing opinions put their input into a discussion - you can't make rational and intelligent decisions if you only hear one side of the equation.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 10:05:30 AM   
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hehehe....well...I did not vote at all. I did however support Bush, and liked his country-bumpkin ways and tough stance on things (back then I actually believed his focus would be primarily with problems in the US!)...however my very strong doubts and objections grew over the Iraq adventure....that is where I drew the line and realized that the administration was nuts and way too idealistic and not based on reality....of course in 2003 few people were against him (or so it seemed).

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 10:11:50 AM   
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And if they did the stats on criminals supporting Democratic candidates, the relationshp would be just as truthfull.
the premise of the study would have in both cases been far to influencial in the findngs.

And both would be inflamatory dogmatic crap

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 10:15:43 AM   
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And if they did the stats on criminals supporting Democratic candidates, the relationshp would be just as truthfull.
the premise of the study would have in both cases been far to influencial in the findngs.

And both would be inflamatory dogmatic crap


Does the study count if the criminal is the candidate?

(Disclaimer:  I am not specifying what party or affiliation the candidate is associated with)

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 10:34:39 AM   
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I don't like Bush & neither does my invisible friend Chaim.


Oh you're just jealous because the voices only talk to him!!!!

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 3:17:43 PM   
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I voted for Bush twice.
 
Would I do so a third time if I were able? No.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 4:19:58 PM   
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I remember reading an article in Psychology Magazine (I believe) some time ago that successful politicians have more psychopathic tendencies than average, they are less susceptable to hypnosis because they are less imaginative than average and have more irrational beliefs than average.

Don't ask me how they come to those findings, it was sometime ago and the conclusions stuck in my head. There was no difference between politicians anywhere on the spectrum but differences where noticable depending on a politician's success in their career.

Whether it was quack science or not, I've no idea but it struck a chord with me and seemed just about right when I thought of well known politicians. So I guess if that is the sort of person we vote for then that must reflect on the poor judgement of the voters.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 4:22:36 PM   
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Have noticed how Bush has aged since the November elections?

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 6:18:33 PM   
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I remember reading an article in Psychology Magazine (I believe) some time ago that successful politicians have more psychopathic tendencies than average, they are less susceptable to hypnosis because they are less imaginative than average and have more irrational beliefs than average.

Don't ask me how they come to those findings, it was sometime ago and the conclusions stuck in my head. There was no difference between politicians anywhere on the spectrum but differences where noticable depending on a politician's success in their career.

Whether it was quack science or not, I've no idea but it struck a chord with me and seemed just about right when I thought of well known politicians. So I guess if that is the sort of person we vote for then that must reflect on the poor judgement of the voters.

Well one can intuit that people who generally come from privileged backgrounds and spend a lot of time in the rarefied air of government, will eventually lose any connection they might have had to reality, as the peons experience it. To run for national office requires tons of money, a type A+++ personality and a willingness to make deals and stab-backs on a scale inconceivable to most of us.

Social isolation, arrogance, narcissism. Those who desire power are the last ones who should be given it.



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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 6:42:37 PM   
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are psychotic people generally happier or sadder than the norm?

Gandalf Pew


They are more generous


LOL Ron and julia

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 8:29:34 PM   
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Have noticed how Bush has aged since the November elections?


Monkeyboy once wrote a list of things to never do in politics after his father was ousted from his job by Clinton.

One of those was (verbatim)  "Never lose, it hurts too much."

He lost both houses of Congress.

Oops.

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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 8:38:01 PM   
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quote:

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Have noticed how Bush has aged since the November elections?


Monkeyboy once wrote a list of things to never do in politics after his father was ousted from his job by Clinton.

One of those was (verbatim)  "Never lose, it hurts too much."

He lost both houses of Congress.

Oops.

Sinergy


You know what is weird about that, Bush has been a loser his entire life. He won one thing, by virtue of being born he became the heir of his father, he is a Bush... and he would have been a washout years ago had it not been for the money and power his family had

He would have failed through school had his family not bought his degree

He would have been cannon fodder in Vietnam, had his father not pulled strings

His first couple of companies failed (IE Arbusto)

He lost his first bid for elected office

His Daddy;s friends bought him the govenorship of Texas... where the only thing he won was being the most polluted state, least educated, most executions in the nation.. in essense he transferred his low expections for his achievements in life to the state he ran.

Then he became president....

We have the largest deficit ever

We were attacked on his watch

We have less rights

We have been embroiled in two wars... both he is losing

His lastest "loss" is not surprising... lets face it, he has the opposite of the Midas touch.. he has what I call the "shit touch". everything he touches turns to shit.

Lets face it folks.. if it was not for being born a Bush it is doubtful Dubya would be promoted to running a 7-11, much less an entire nation...



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RE: Bush and psychopaths - 12/1/2006 8:43:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Have noticed how Bush has aged since the November elections?


Monkeyboy once wrote a list of things to never do in politics after his father was ousted from his job by Clinton.

One of those was (verbatim)  "Never lose, it hurts too much."

He lost both houses of Congress.

Oops.

Sinergy


You know what is weird about that, Bush has been a loser his entire life. He won one thing, by virtue of being born he became the heir of his father, he is a Bush... and he would have been a washout years ago had it not been for the money and power his family had

He would have failed through school had his family not bought his degree

He would have been cannon fodder in Vietnam, had his father not pulled strings

His first couple of companies failed (IE Arbusto)

He lost his first bid for elected office

His Daddy;s friends bought him the govenorship of Texas... where the only thing he won was being the most polluted state, least educated, most executions in the nation.. in essense he transferred his low expections for his achievements in life to the state he ran.

Then he became president....

We have the largest deficit ever

We were attacked on his watch

We have less rights

We have been embroiled in two wars... both he is losing

His lastest "loss" is not surprising... lets face it, he has the opposite of the Midas touch.. he has what I call the "shit touch". everything he touches turns to shit.

Lets face it folks.. if it was not for being born a Bush it is doubtful Dubya would be promoted to running a 7-11, much less an entire nation...




While I dont disagree with anything you wrote, julia, I did want to point out that it was not until he lost both houses of Congress that reality slapped him upside the head and none of his Yes men could put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

There is a big difference between being a loser and being forced to face the fact that you are a big loser.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

edited to dis my agreement with what julia wrote

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