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Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 1:26:24 AM   
Esinem


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Status: offline 		Would one fall foul of any laws by producing politically satirical SM movies, assuming no other porn laws were contravened? For example, if partcipants were wearing masks depicting prominent political figures?  I'm thinking Dubya and certain middle eastern figures...
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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 1:44:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are in the UK so that means you are referring to international laws. I wouldn't think portraying public figures in any way is illegal, but who knows. The idea of using political figures doesn't quite get my bdsm blood hot, though, in any case.

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 1:47:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not American but I'd be surprised if lampooning the Prez is an offence, even in an M/s setting.  Might be a different matter if you're planning to make money from them but I'm sure someone will be along who knows all.  But I'd leave Vladimir Putin (Rusky Prez) out of them - or hire your own wine-taster!
 
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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 2:04:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well back in the 80s the Spitting Image show did similar, so I guess it should be alright. But then again, Spitting Image even though it didnt pull any punches, did not show anything with an erotic component to it.

The key really is the law on libel, and the reaction of those whom you feature. I dont know the exact wording on the libel laws, but you can be sued if the person suffers a loss of reputation as a result of what you publish. Your only defence under the libel laws is that what you published is true. Since the UK legal system costs a fortune to use for libel, whichever side youre on, and your "stars" will be presumably far more wealthy than you, the case itself could bankrupt you even before any award against you might be made.

At the same time, there are many new laws that have been introduced since 9/11 with regard to public protest and the distribution of published material, which you might need to look at too. I dont think as yet we have a law which forbids lampooning the Glorious Leader, but there are so many catches in those laws which need to be looked at.

Do you know of the UK Femdom Society? (Google it). They make films too and have legal back up. They are also always looking for new material. I dont know if they would make it with you/for you, but might be able to advise.
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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 2:21:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		If ANYONE feels like making a video of Dubya and Tony getting a damn good spanking, you go ahead, law bedamned!

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 2:24:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		As long as you don't make any direct or implied threat on his life. Even in the UK someone could come calling for threatening a foriegn dignatary.

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 5:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a lawyer (though I have fucked a few), but my understanding is that satire is generally protected speech.  As long as it was very clear that it was satirical and that you weren't making a threat to the people in question, I think it would be ok (and awesome). 
It's not libel if it's clearly satire.

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 6:46:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		i know in the US it could be considered slander?  Mebbe... Suppose you could get away with it if you had a disclaimer before or after the little show saying "all people portrayed is fictional"  sorta like the thing they have on Law and Order

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 10:39:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heck I'd pay for a movie depicting Hillary beating her hubby that was we know probably happens...don't forget the cabana boy pretending to be secret service. Barbara bush domming her sons would be kinda funny too. "you little shit, can't you fix an election for your drunken brother...I'm taking every dangling and dimpled chad outta your ass."
Whoops, we now return you to your regularly scheduled satire.

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 10:44:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinem

Would one fall foul of any laws by producing politically satirical SM movies, assuming no other porn laws were contravened? For example, if partcipants were wearing masks depicting prominent political figures?  I'm thinking Dubya and certain middle eastern figures...


That sounds like a hoot. Don't stop at political figures though, you need to take on movie/television stars, the Royal family, oh.. Paris Hilton for sure .. there are just tons of people I'd love to see getting beaten with a nice latigo cat!



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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 10:50:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		After that video that was released of Paris Hilton you could really have a lot of fun with that one.... allmost good for a two hour movie.... LOL

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 12:06:38 PM   
Esinem


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Status: offline 		Thanks for you input folks. This is looking optimistic 

" If ANYONE feels like making a video of Dubya and Tony getting a damn good spanking, you go ahead, law bedamned! "

Well, the former gets a lot more than a spanking   There is a good reason, beyond the obvious pun, why the working title is "Weapons of Ass Destruction" * Makes note to order a Tony mask too*

I'm wondering if the inclusion of Saddam Hussein might bring down a Jihad upon me?

Anyway, here's an innoccuous clip (playing very safe until we are sure about the legal side) that will hopefully make you smile. So satisfying : http://www.esinem.com/Misc/Happy%20Slapper%20QT5.mov


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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 1:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please bare in mind whilst it may legal today, it soon wont be :(

http://www.collarchat.com/m_699392/tm.htm
Images of sexual violence and proposed UK legislation.

I do appreciate that the law is aimed at images that are intended for sexual gratification, and I find little sexual arousal in the thought of most politicians indulging in such acts :)

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 1:34:29 PM   
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quote:

the Royal family, oh.. Paris Hilton for sure

LOL here's a new twist on a cuck. Good ole prince charlie dumbo ears, his horsefaced wife bound as the cuck and paris doing a little international relations.

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I'm wondering if the inclusion of Saddam Hussein might bring down a Jihad upon me?

No you're thinking about the mohammed cartoon thing.

Though god & goddess, jesus and a rabbi, mohammed and buddah all teamed up could get some people riled up. Of coarse my mind puts goddess in charge until I remember the universe had to be created by a man, no other explaination for PMS, labor pains, high heels and why chocolate and most things that taste good make you fat. BASTARDS


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RE: Is it legal? - 11/29/2006 7:52:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinem

Thanks for you input folks. This is looking optimistic 

" If ANYONE feels like making a video of Dubya and Tony getting a damn good spanking, you go ahead, law bedamned! "

Well, the former gets a lot more than a spanking   There is a good reason, beyond the obvious pun, why the working title is "Weapons of Ass Destruction" * Makes note to order a Tony mask too*

I'm wondering if the inclusion of Saddam Hussein might bring down a Jihad upon me?

Anyway, here's an innoccuous clip (playing very safe until we are sure about the legal side) that will hopefully make you smile. So satisfying : http://www.esinem.com/Misc/Happy%20Slapper%20QT5.mov




Blast, dag nabbit! ::stamps foot:: It wouldn't open for me.

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/30/2006 1:19:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Esinem excellent idea...as for dear old Saddam (meant sarcastically) he is not so popular these days...make sure he is defiant and shown as a good little tyrannical Dom, lol....and why stop with those figures? add Mr. Pinochet at Whitewater with Maggie, and that could be a movie in itself..."tea time at whitewater" lol....

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/30/2006 5:43:39 AM   
Esinem


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Status: offline 		It looks like Agent Provocateur got there first, albeit a little less graphically:
http://agentprovocateur.ld.mediawave.co.uk/agent_provocateur/lost_control_high.asx

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/30/2006 8:37:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would not be slander.  Satire happens all the time.  Check out SNL (which is still running and routinely mocking govt), any newspaper editorial cartoon, ect.
If, however the picture was a mockup and it said that it was genuinely a pic of the pres doing some other guy, or being done, then the owner of the piece and the publisher could be sued, if it could be safely assumed that people might believe it.

Way back, a television personality sued a newspaper for showing a pic of her looking poorly at a restaraunt and stated that she was drunk in the caption.  The woman was very anti-drink being having been brought up by alcoholic parents, and demanded a retraction.  The newspaper stood by their claim, she was able to prove the allegations were false.  And the newspaper lost a chunk of change in damages.

If I wanted to put up a pic of the pres doing or being done by someone I think I would make sure it was obvious satire AND make sure I moved.  Our current administration would probably send me a bottle of wine.
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RE: Is it legal? - 11/30/2006 8:45:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have no idea, I tried posting a pic of myself in a hood on this site and even that was against the rules, all a bit bizarre for a bdsm site really. It's a lot less scarey than seeing me without any make up on, that's for sure. 

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RE: Is it legal? - 11/30/2006 8:51:48 AM   
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