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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 4:41:45 PM

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Have you been sipping the Jonestown kool-ade again?

Dont worry about it.

I haven't been right in the head since I read Orwell's 1984 in (ironically) 1984. 22 years later, and I still haven't gotten over it.

Mind you, I am being headhunted for a job with the new Ministry of Truth in London, so its not all bad I guess.

E

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 4:45:47 PM

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Nicely done, LadyE.

Thanks Rich.

Though I'm not sure that being praised for not being right in the head, is necessarily a good thing!?

I wonder what the Glorious Leader's position on that would be?

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 4:53:19 PM

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Newt Gingrich Calls for Reexamination of Freedom of Speech

Now, I know Newt ain't one of themen behind Bush these days (busy saving the world from poverty..), but it still disturbs me to see one of the GOP-almighty explicitly saying that freedom of speech (that is sort of enshrined in the US Constitution, no?) needs to be reexamined in the face of terrorism. "..before we actually lose a city.."

And Newt is a freakin' political genius too. (Albeit for my money on the side of absolute evil )

Excitingly, he also says that separation of church & state is a bad thing.

The constitution is one of the best things about the USA (politically speaking), even with the amazing ammendment system put in place to give the govt. the power to muffle and nullify portions of it.

Can you USAians please hold the country together for another year, so I can come visit next autumn without getting myself arrested for insulting the president?

ETA:

(You'll have to wait till next year to find out if Newt is running for president though. I haven't been so excited about an announcement since the iPhone! )

As much as the press lives for finding fault with Gingrich's public comments, if anyone within this purview takes the time to read his comments (I, having read his full comments on this subject, haven't checked out this link...but I'm reasonably certain it's not a full compendium) will find that his thoughts on this are rather intriguing.

(However, I suspect, within 3, possibly as many as 8 comments beyond mine, this will drop into a wrathe of his unending inability to think clearly...along with several comments on why he should be set on a pike).

Here's a thought: Read the entire story.

As in all things...there's more to the story.

(And as much as I hate to admit it...yes, he is a political genius...and no I would not like to see him running the country).

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 5:00:19 PM

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I suspect he's speaking to the anonymity of the internet, and more importantly, what many like him with their paranoid, police-police state mentality would like to see happen : The abolishment of the internet as we now know it, and the institution of what's known as ''Internet II '' where there is no more anonymity

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_commentary7.htm

I think Servando González might be a little out of his depth with this article. Internet2 was never intended to be a replacement for the net and there isn't any danger of that happening, contrary to his doomsday soothsaying.

~stef

Ok Kitten.... So you send me to their rather innocuous web site. What's to say that what Newt is actually talking about isn't tied in with what Google has done with regard to the ''Chinese Internet'' - Whereas were talking about sanitization, filtering, total censorship of anything they deem detrimental to the ''state'', i.e., their interpretation of hate speech, etc,etc.?

I think if you google it.....there's an EU consortium that's trying regulate / dictate what's good and bad on the internet. I say don't ''fix'' things that are not broken; keep your grubby hands off the internet.

Capiche'?

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 5:05:47 PM

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Nicely done, LadyE.

Thanks Rich.

Though I'm not sure that being praised for not being right in the head, is necessarily a good thing!?

I wonder what the Glorious Leader's position on that would be?

E

Pretty sure Glorious Leader and I wouldn't get along very well. My advice would be to take the Minitru job and bring it down from within. Avenge me!

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 7:05:54 PM

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Ok Kitten.... So you send me to their rather innocuous web site. What's to say that what Newt is actually talking about isn't tied in with what Google has done with regard to the ''Chinese Internet'' - Whereas were talking about sanitization, filtering, total censorship of anything they deem detrimental to the ''state'', i.e., their interpretation of hate speech, etc,etc.?

What Google is doing in China is another matter entirely and has nothing to do with Internet2 or Newt's wet dream. They're just a corporate whore trying to expand their bottom line and are willing to do anything to accomplish that goal.

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I think if you google it.....there's an EU consortium that's trying regulate / dictate what's good and bad on the internet.

There's more than one group that has this in mind but they are all lacking the two things necessary to do it—the authority to make it happen and the means to make it happen.

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I say don't ''fix'' things that are not broken; keep your grubby hands off the internet.

I don't disagree, in principle. But then Internet2 isn't intended to "fix" anything. It's driving the creation of new technology that the net's infrastructure is going to need to support it's future growth.

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 7:16:06 PM

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Yep.

That's why they drank it.

Okay, maybe not why, but it was wine, ale, or fruit juices that was really the only drinkable water, and fruit juices spoiled too fast.

Yours,

benji

From a techincal / scientific standpoint, the main reason people have been fermenting beverages for thousands of years is that a good, solid yeast culture and alcohol content in a beverage prevents the growth of bacterial formations which might kill you.

My personal favorite was a heavily spiced mead I brewed that fermented out to about 22 percent alcohol.

Lovely, but life threatening hangovers.

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 10:06:38 PM

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LE; don't let Lotus piss you off here. I think that was sarcasm, but if not, I really do not know what to do.

But, there is another issue, THE GOVERNMENT is going to decide whar we can say about THE GOVERNMENT.

Does anyone see the problem here ?

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/29/2006 10:29:02 PM

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(However, I suspect, within 3, possibly as many as 8 comments beyond mine, this will drop into a wrathe of his unending inability to think clearly...along with several comments on why he should be set on a pike).

Well, within 4, and it didn't drop exactly, but Sinergy did mention something about brewing some Mead...hmmmm...

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/30/2006 4:44:51 AM

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LE; don't let Lotus piss you off here. I think that was sarcasm, but if not, I really do not know what to do.

T

Definitely sarcasm, in its most caustic form. Brit speciality.

And Lotus knows me, and I know Lotus, and her comment came out of that, so dont worry.

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RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s - 11/30/2006 10:49:02 PM

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More on that pesky "clean water" stuff: there's an article in the November Scientific American about dead zones in seas and estuaries where the consequences of pollution and run-off include a runaway de-oxygenation process that kills all life above bacteria. We have several such dead zones right here in the U.S.A.

(I'll post a link to it on sciam.com, but it's a pay-only article: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00009C2B-DB07-152F-960883414B7F0123)

Of course, the above is for those people who actually give a fuck.

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