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ScienceBoy -> Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 3:50:56 PM)
Newt Gingrich Calls for Reexamination of Freedom of Speech Now, I know Newt ain't one of themen behind Bush these days (busy saving the world from poverty..), but it still disturbs me to see one of the GOP-almighty explicitly saying that freedom of speech (that is sort of enshrined in the US Constitution, no?) needs to be reexamined in the face of terrorism. "..before we actually lose a city.." And Newt is a freakin' political genius too. (Albeit for my money on the side of absolute evil [;)]) Excitingly, he also says that separation of church & state is a bad thing. The constitution is one of the best things about the USA (politically speaking), even with the amazing ammendment system put in place to give the govt. the power to muffle and nullify portions of it. Can you USAians please hold the country together for another year, so I can come visit next autumn without getting myself arrested for insulting the president? [:)] ETA: (You'll have to wait till next year to find out if Newt is running for president though. I haven't been so excited about an announcement since the iPhone! [:)])

UtopianRanger -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 4:43:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ScienceBoy Newt Gingrich Calls for Reexamination of Freedom of Speech Now, I know Newt ain't one of themen behind Bush these days (busy saving the world from poverty..), but it still disturbs me to see one of the GOP-almighty explicitly saying that freedom of speech (that is sort of enshrined in the US Constitution, no?) needs to be reexamined in the face of terrorism. "..before we actually lose a city.." And Newt is a freakin' political genius too. (Albeit for my money on the side of absolute evil [;)]) Excitingly, he also says that separation of church & state is a bad thing. The constitution is one of the best things about the USA (politically speaking), even with the amazing ammendment system put in place to give the govt. the power to muffle and nullify portions of it. Can you USAians please hold the country together for another year, so I can come visit next autumn without getting myself arrested for insulting the president? [:)] ETA: (You'll have to wait till next year to find out if Newt is running for president though. I haven't been so excited about an announcement since the iPhone! [:)]) Gingrich has put forth a few phenomenal ideas { His idea about getting kids interested in Math and Science was excellent} However, it's stories like the one you have linked to that make me think someone will read it and find away to coax him into opening a letter laced with anthrax. I suspect he's speaking to the anonymity of the internet, and more importantly, what many like him with their paranoid, police-police state mentality would like to see happen : The abolishment of the internet as we now know it, and the institution of what's known as ''Internet II '' where there is no more anonymity http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_commentary7.htm - R

sleazy -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 4:48:17 PM)
Free speech? Not something allowed here Im afraid so I hope it never comes to pass over there too. Yes Im a cynic and a sceptic, probably too much for my own good but when pensioners are arrested for shouting rubbish, and women arrested for reading a list of names I really wonder what may happen next :(

WyrdRich -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 4:54:38 PM)
Ahhh Newt... Would he be our 'Churchill,' I wonder, or our 'Hitler?' I'm already convinced that Hillary is fully capable of being our 'Stalin,' so I'll just hope I never have to choose between them.

Level -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 4:55:32 PM)
Gingrich would never win the presidency; he can best serve by coming up with helpful ideas, as Ranger mentioned, but his ability to come up with horseshit like this just makes me shake my head.

ScienceBoy -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 4:59:57 PM)
The UK is probably fucked in that direction after the next election, whether the Conservatives win (David Cameron is scary. If I wasn't so sure he was a lying, pissant, cokefiend little shit.. And I believed what he says, I'd have to vote for him. [Ad Homnem attacks for the win]), or not. [:)] (I'm emigrating to the far east)

RiotGirl -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 5:03:43 PM)
Free speech, just like all of our rights - arent real. I hate that people think we as americans are free.. and have all these rights. We have rights and free speech UNTIL we break the rules. Pretty much the same everywhere else.

stef -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 5:39:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger I suspect he's speaking to the anonymity of the internet, and more importantly, what many like him with their paranoid, police-police state mentality would like to see happen : The abolishment of the internet as we now know it, and the institution of what's known as ''Internet II '' where there is no more anonymity http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_commentary7.htm I think Servando González might be a *little* out of his depth with this article. Internet2 was never intended to be a replacement for the net and there isn't any danger of that happening, contrary to his doomsday soothsaying. ~stef

LTRsubNW -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 6:10:53 PM)
Gingrich, at best, is a loose cannon. He loves to hear himself talk. (He also happens to be dangerously brilliant).

sleazy -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 6:23:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ScienceBoy The UK is probably fucked in that direction after the next election, whether the Conservatives win (David Cameron is scary. If I wasn't so sure he was a lying, pissant, cokefiend little shit.. And I believed what he says, I'd have to vote for him. [Ad Homnem attacks for the win]), or not. [:)] (I'm emigrating to the far east) Nah, no need to wait til the next election, we have already bent over and taken it :( quote: ORIGINAL: RiotGirl We have rights and free speech UNTIL we break the rules. Pretty much the same everywhere else. Its not that we have it until we break the rules, its that the rules already forbid in so many respects :(

Lordandmaster -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 7:17:58 PM)
I can think of a few other things that were soooooo 90's... a stable economy clean air and water a president who didn't commit war crimes Anything I missed?

gooddogbenji -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 7:22:27 PM)
The whole clean air and water thing is soooooo 1800s. It's just it wasn't really accepted until around 2025. Yours, benji

Lordandmaster -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 7:32:52 PM)
The water supply sucked in the 1800's, benji. In the 90's, clean air and water mattered. Now they're seen as a nuisance standing in the way of corporate profits. And people don't seem to give a fuck.

gooddogbenji -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 7:35:44 PM)
It was a joke, LaM, and that's exactly what I was getting at. Why do you think wine was so popular? Cuz the maso romans loved hangovers? Yours, benji

skiesel93 -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 7:45:18 PM)
I would think wine would be dehydrating...

gooddogbenji -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 7:53:37 PM)
Yep. That's why they drank it. Okay, maybe not why, but it was wine, ale, or fruit juices that was really the only drinkable water, and fruit juices spoiled too fast. Yours, benji

RiotGirl -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/28/2006 9:05:49 PM)
quote: And people don't seem to give a fuck. did you miss the memo?? I thought that was old news....

LadyEllen -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/29/2006 3:04:56 AM)
People! You all have the wrong end of the stick! But then as revolting peasants, thats understandable. You have total freedom of speech and assembly, and all the things you wanted. But the Glorious Leader loves you, and does not want you to fall into error, by thinking and saying things which aren't true, or by associating with bad people. Like the good Father to the nation He is, the Glorious Leader guides His children so that you will be wise and happy. Now who could object to that? Only those who have no love for the nation, no concern for their fellow citizens and no respect for the Glorious Leader of course. Such people are in error, and is it not then the fatherly duty of the Glorious Leader to discipline His errant children, lest they stray further into foolish and unhappy ways, or worse, spread their error and unhappiness to others of the children of the Glorious Leader? And because the Glorious Leader has the love to care in this way for even His most errant children, who think and speak wrong things even against the Glorious Leader Himself, should not those of us who are not found to be in error also love him in return sufficiently to trust that His discipline is of the very nature of wisdom and therefore beyond question? So let us not think wrong thoughts, speak error or associate with fools. Let us instead love the Glorious Leader with all our hearts and all our minds, and let our every word be inspired by praise for Him. For surely in this way we will be happy and share in His wisdom, and not be subject to harsh penalties under sub section IV, clause III. E

WyrdRich -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/29/2006 4:11:05 PM)
Nicely done, LadyE.

LotusSong -> RE: Freedom of Speech is so 1990s (11/29/2006 4:24:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen People! You all have the wrong end of the stick! But then as revolting peasants, thats understandable. You have total freedom of speech and assembly, and all the things you wanted. But the Glorious Leader loves you, and does not want you to fall into error, by thinking and saying things which aren't true, or by associating with bad people. Like the good Father to the nation He is, the Glorious Leader guides His children so that you will be wise and happy. Now who could object to that? Only those who have no love for the nation, no concern for their fellow citizens and no respect for the Glorious Leader of course. Such people are in error, and is it not then the fatherly duty of the Glorious Leader to discipline His errant children, lest they stray further into foolish and unhappy ways, or worse, spread their error and unhappiness to others of the children of the Glorious Leader? And because the Glorious Leader has the love to care in this way for even His most errant children, who think and speak wrong things even against the Glorious Leader Himself, should not those of us who are not found to be in error also love him in return sufficiently to trust that His discipline is of the very nature of wisdom and therefore beyond question? So let us not think wrong thoughts, speak error or associate with fools. Let us instead love the Glorious Leader with all our hearts and all our minds, and let our every word be inspired by praise for Him. For surely in this way we will be happy and share in His wisdom, and not be subject to harsh penalties under sub section IV, clause III. E E.. Have you been sipping the Jonestown kool-ade again?

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