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Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 3:42:00 AM   
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By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press WriterTue Nov 21, 4:49 PM ET
 
When the teenager went to the police a few months ago to report she was gang-raped by seven men, she never imagined the judge would punish her — and that she would be sentenced to more lashes than one of her alleged rapists received.

The story of the Girl of Qatif, as the alleged rape victim has been called by the media here, has triggered a rare debate about Saudi Arabia's legal system, in which judges have wide discretion in punishing a criminal, rules of evidence are shaky and sometimes no defense lawyers are present.

The result, critics say, are sentences left to the whim of judges. These include one in which a group of men got heavier sentences for harassing women than the men in the Girl of Qatif rape case or three men who were convicted of raping a boy. In another, a woman was ordered to divorce her husband against her will based on a demand by her relatives.

In the case of the Girl of Qatif, she was sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married — a crime in this strictly segregated country — at the time that she was allegedly attacked and raped by a group of other men

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_justice

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:03:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aren't the Saudis our allies?

It wasn't this bad in the west in the middleages during which, in periods women had a surprising amount of freedom and personal liberty. I say surprising because of the propaganda we have often been fed about the role of women in the west and the feminist accusation that women have been oppresssed since the year blob.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:14:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		So much for going to the police...she would have been better off with a butcher knife and did the job of revenge on her own geesh....

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:25:21 AM   
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Aren't the Saudis our allies?



While many US Administrations like to continually point this out, I see surprisingly little evidence to suggest this is the case.

It is true that Saudi Arabian citizens and companies hold the paper on about 7% of the US Economy in the form of banks, reinsurance, investments, etc.

I just always find it amusing when a problem happens in the Middle East, such as the United States military mobilizing to protect Saudi Arabian oil fields (Desert Storm, etc) the Saudi's first move is to cut production of oil so as to raise prices worldwide.

With allies like the Saudis, who needs enemies?

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:32:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Course. That's why we in the EU are selling them most of the first run of our new oober-fighter.

Anybody who could sneeze and collapse your economy is best considered an ally..

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:36:00 AM   
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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 8:19:26 AM   
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That's how it is over there. Should we also invade Saudi Arabia to change its system?


Yup, don't criticise them if you believe in "Cultural Diversity."

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 2:12:57 PM   
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I believe in cultural diversity but I also think Saudi Arabia could do with a good dose of regime change..

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 2:37:00 PM   
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Now, on what basis do we think that we can negotiate with people who think like that? There is no give in such a statement, no interpretation and no accomodation.

And all that flows from such an authoritation creed and relies upon it, such as sharia "law", shares in that same lack of mutability. And whether Muslims tell us or not that sharia is not part of Islam, but a cultural appendix to it, is irrelevant; it is after all the religious courts and the mullahs who dispense it in the name of their God, therefore it must be considered all of a part.

When one considers the misogynistic outlook posited by this worldview, whilst it annoys me no end that we have in the UK so many instances of Pakistani men who go out in gangs in their cars, raping young women - mostly white women, one can understand it better at least. Women are chattels and can be used and abused as any man sees fit. And white women are ferengi chattels and therefore count for even less. And should any woman, Muslim or ferengi, complain about the "rightful" treatment they receive at the hands of a man, well, shouldnt she expect punishment simply for that complaint? After all, to take it seriously and act upon it, would imply that women count for something, or perish the thought, might be equitable before the law and heaven forfend, before God.

Even so, I am glad that I am only talking here about the fundamentalists. Or am I? There is a Muslim man who attends our police advisory meetings as a member of the race/cultural group - all members are screened and approved prior to appointment so one would think that this guy would be a moderate at least. Why then does he become so offended when any woman speaks in the meeting? Why does he not turn up at all, when a senior officer who happens to be female chairs the meeting?

I really, truly, honestly want to believe that Islam and Muslims in general, are not a threat to us and our culture, that its just a minority who present dangerously, but when I see a man like this, act in this way, I really, truly, honestly, cannot be sure of that I'm afraid.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 2:38:48 PM   
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I believe in cultural diversity but I also think Saudi Arabia could do with a good dose of regime change..

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 3:16:35 PM   
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There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.

How is that different from Exodus 20:2 - 4?

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 3:29:09 PM   
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There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.

How is that different from Exodus 20:2 - 4?


Hi Ken

I'm not Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim, so I'm afraid I have no idea.

What I do have an idea about though, is that 99% of the problems in our western culture, and indeed through our influence, in the world, are traceable to roots in the desert religion of a group of male slaves, whose position in life encouraged the notion of their God and their relationship to him, and the relationship of those male slaves to the only people they could exercise authority over - their women.

Thats fine. But its a slave religion, for slaves, in all of its forms, Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Its not my religion, and its not the rightful religion of my people, on whom it was forced 1500 years ago and has meant nothing but trouble and oppression since.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:13:32 PM   
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There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.

How is that different from Exodus 20:2 - 4?


That's:

" I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. " You shall have no other gods before Me. " You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."

... for you filthy heatherns out theah.


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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:18:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quite happy to be heathen thanks.

And by the way, do you know why Christian Anglo Saxon women preferred Heathen Viking men?

Because whilst the Vikings washed, the Anglo Saxon men did not, having been advised by the Church that bathing was bad!

So I guess that makes Christians filthy.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 4:28:36 PM   
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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 11:04:49 PM   
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FoS


Translation, anyone? I'm new here.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/22/2006 11:36:48 PM   
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FoS


Translation, anyone? I'm new here.

I was being euphemistic since I can never remember what is allowed on this board. I consider Popeye to be Full o' S--t.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/23/2006 4:20:31 AM   
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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/23/2006 8:17:40 AM   
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FoS


Translation, anyone? I'm new here.


Down on the docks we put a "red tag" on something that is broken indicating that the mechanic driving around should fix it.

If he cannot fix it, he puts a big red placard on it that says POS, or "Piece of Sh1t".  It eventually gets hauled off and sent to china to be turned into razor blades.

Not sure what that has to do with Saudi Arabia, but there ya go.

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RE: Sharia in Saudi Arabia - 11/23/2006 8:23:39 AM   
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Quite happy to be heathen thanks.

And by the way, do you know why Christian Anglo Saxon women preferred Heathen Viking men?

Because whilst the Vikings washed, the Anglo Saxon men did not, having been advised by the Church that bathing was bad!

So I guess that makes Christians filthy.

E


Bit like heading off on the Crusades to civilise the barbarians.. and bringing back forks.

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