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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/19/2006 2:10:18 PM

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As for Blair, he gets ever more meally mouthed over the issue of Iraq by the day that he really doesn't know any longer what truths (if there is any) or lies he has told over the issue.

Lol...too true.

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/19/2006 3:48:22 PM

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Agreed MKalif! My quote of your post was meant in half jest; I know it didnt really happen that way to start with.

My own opinion is, that it was stupid to remove Saddam at all; horrendous monster that he was, he was the right pawn for the job in the management of the Middle East - keeping his neighbours and their agendas in check.

When we pull out, the way it looks to me, Iraq will become a client state to Iran, who already have much influence there. Not long after, we will have effectively a new Islamic Persian Empire, from the eastern Med to the Bay of Bengal, with control of a lot of oil and the Suez canal via Saudi Arabia which will also come into the fold, protected from our intervention by nuclear weapons. Then, we will be truly fxxxed.

Cheery soul, aint I?

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LadyEllen, lol....you are very cheery! I wish the administration in the US shared the same cheeryness, would be good start

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/19/2006 5:09:12 PM

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Zensee, did I say "attack" Pakistan?
No, just send people in there and get them.
Troops, Special Forces, CIA, or "others."

Still Popeye, westerners aren't too welcome there. Even if they agreed secretly, the Pakistani government is not going to want to be seen allowing foreign soldiers into the country, as that could well spark violence. The Pakistani government would be forced to disavow any knowledge and any covert ops that got busted would start a monumental shitstorm.

Withdraw the entire coalition to Afghanistan and try to complete the original mission of reconstruction there. Complete withdrawal from the region is not a humane option.

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/19/2006 6:06:23 PM

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Good God, Sissify, do you read past the quick quote that fits your fear-mongering? There is absolutely nothing new here and Kissinger goes right on to say we can't just leave.

It works for George's boy, Glenn Beck. (shrug)

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/19/2006 7:09:14 PM

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Iraq was a threat to the U.S.   Hussein paid $25,000 USD to any suicide bomber that martyred themselves, was actively seeking WMD's (as suspected by the U.N but never acted upon due to the kick backs many of them were getting from Hussein and the corrupt Oil for Food program). If you think Hussein wasn't looking to get back at us, remember that this man has used chemical weapons in war before and on his own people to boot and the fact he suffered a humiliating defeat during Gulf War and lost his credibility and a sense of power.

Many people are up in arms about whats going on in Darfur, citing the plight of those people there, yet the same could be said the same of Hussein's regime.   Years before the U.S invaded them Sports Illustrated ran a story on how brutal the Iraqi goverment was with atheletes who lost. These atheletes were beaten, tortured and some even killed for losing a game! How many people were raped or killed on a whim for those demons?   A conservative estimate believes over 350,000 people but many people think much much much higher were killed by the Baathist regime.

Letting that man stay in power with all he did just condoned those actions.

Before you say that the Iraqi's should have taken care of him, they have tried. But the estimates were that 1 in 5 people in that country worked for the private police and ANY threat at the removal of Hussein was dealt with a brutality and disreguard for human life that we have not seen since Pol Pot or Hitler. One situation that was the cornerstone of the trial was he killed every male adult in a village after a failed attempt on his life.

As far as the insurgents that are there now, ask yourselves this.    Where do you want them doing these things? Iraq or the U.S?   The radical islamic movement doesn't hate Bush and Cheney they hate EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that is associated with the United States. Case and point are the two embassies that Bin Laden blew up while Clinton was in office.

I am proud to be American and even more prouder of the men and women in uniform and believe the mission they are on.

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/19/2006 7:46:00 PM

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There is a Ben Franklin quote that has thrown around a lot these past few years, about trading Freedom for security, but old Ben also said something a lot more appropriate to the people in Iraq, "Force shits on Reason's back." We leave, there is utter chaos, and that chaos will start affecting the lives of everybody in this country mighty fast.

That is an interesting perspective, WyrdRich.

From what I can see, the United States has two options.

1) Leave now, chaos in Iraq ensues, catastrophic effects on the US economy.

2) We can stay there a few years, lose a few thousand more GIs, spend a few billion more dollars we borrowed from China. Leave then. chaos in Iraq ensues, catastrophic effects on the US economy.

The only difference is the money we had to borrow and the body bags of US soldiers we brought home staying there the extra time

The phrase "Screwed the pooch" perfectly describes what Monkeyboy did when he invaded Iraq.

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/20/2006 6:02:05 AM

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We should have never invaded in the first place...period.

Bush and Cheney should be courtmartialed and tried for lying to the American people.

You close-minded radical liberal anti-Bush fanatics are just as bad as anybody who supports Bush's intentions when entering Iraq. I don't personally care about Iraq or what happens there, but anybody that wants to claim that they care about human life shouldn't be so "Leave Iraq let them handle it themselves." And if you pull the "saving American lives" routine your saying that America is better than everybody else....I know I've seen that attitude somewhere else before....Oh right! Bush deciding to enter Iraq. All danged radicals (either side) are absolutely repulsive...we should dress all of em up like deer and let em loose in the hunting thread.

Edit:// Editted to remove flame....

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RE: Kissinger: No victory in Iraq - 11/20/2006 6:18:48 AM

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Its very difficult to understand why many posters with an anti Bush and by implication anti Blair agenda refuse to face up to what is happening in Iraq and will not point the fickle finger of accusation at those groups, SHIA and SUNNI radical Muslims, who are causing the mayhem there.
I have yet to see a rational response to this point.

Funnily enough the same "types" want to interfere in Darfur and complained when little was done as Yugoslavia broke up into sectional violence. Here, as I recall, the Muslims were the victims.
Double standards or what ?
How would the same "types" have responded to the Nazi expansion ?
Also many of the same "types" advocated removing Saddam during the first Gulf War. Again a bit odd?

Not once during the build up to the War was it ever suggested that WMD's posessed by Saddam were a threat to the West, only , by implication never explicitly stated, to Israel.

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