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Level -> Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 4:27:54 PM)

Dems Nix Pelosi Choice For Majority Leader

WASHINGTON, Nov. 16, 2006

(CBS/AP) Democrats picked Rep. Steny Hoyer to be House Majority Leader on Thursday, spurning Rep. Nancy Pelosi's handpicked choice moments after unanimously backing her election as speaker when Congress convenes in January.

A Marylander and 25-year veteran of Congress, Hoyer defeated Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania by a vote of 149-86.

Hoyer's election to the No. 2 job came just a short time after the Democratic caucus put Pelosi in line to become the first woman to be speaker, a position that's second-in-line of succession to the presidency. It marked a personal triumph for Hoyer.

Earlier, an ebullient Pelosi declared: "We made history, and now we will make progress for the American people."  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/16/politics/main2188664.shtml



mnottertail -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 4:40:16 PM)

rmember those little frames where you had these heftige ball bearings and you knock them together and set them in motion and only the outside ones moved and caught your attention but the actual work was done by the centrist core?

A Child 



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 4:42:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

rmember those little frames where you had these heftige ball bearings and you knock them together and set them in motion and only the outside ones moved and caught your attention but the actual work was done by the centrist core?

A Child 


Yes....... often, the center is a good thing, I agree.



WyrdRich -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 7:10:36 PM)

      I'm curious if it was the ABSCAM involvement, or Murtha's anti-war position that cost him the job.  How "unified" are the Dems going to be in the months ahead?  Might be fun to watch.



KenDckey -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 7:16:09 PM)

I just think it is funny.  



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 7:18:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

     I'm curious if it was the ABSCAM involvement, or Murtha's anti-war position that cost him the job.  How "unified" are the Dems going to be in the months ahead?  Might be fun to watch.


Rich, talk is already sprouting up about Pelosi's judgment, or lack thereof, because of this. I don't know what the main reason was for Murtha's loss, but whatever it was, the count wasn't even close. One thing's for sure, I hope this isn't how things are going to proceed.



caitlyn -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 7:36:56 PM)

Myself, I'm as encouraged by this, as I was bothered my Representative Pelosi's choice in the first place.
 
So the Democrats aren't going to walk in step with their leader. So what! Do you really want them to? Isn't that one of the things that got so many Republicans kicked out in the first place - blind support for the President?
 
Speaker Elect Pelosi's choice, wasn't chosen. She looked very gracious, as did Representative Murtha. I don't think we saw anyone lose ... I think we saw democracy in action.



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 7:44:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Myself, I'm as encouraged by this, as I was bothered my Representative Pelosi's choice in the first place.
 
So the Democrats aren't going to walk in step with their leader. So what! Do you really want them to? Isn't that one of the things that got so many Republicans kicked out in the first place - blind support for the President?
 
Speaker Elect Pelosi's choice, wasn't chosen. She looked very gracious, as did Representative Murtha. I don't think we saw anyone lose ... I think we saw democracy in action.


Evening, caitlyn, and good post. The points you made are valid, so I'll put my thoughts of Democrat warfare and gridlock out of my head.... for now. But I don't want to see Pelosi and Obama and Feingold and Rangel on youTube fist fighting and calling each other "shithead" [8|]. I want results! *bangs shoe on desk like Krushev*



mnottertail -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 7:53:08 PM)

back to my clicking ball bearings...........

Pelosi is liberal...........very liberal (but she will listen) may not understand but she will listen.

Put here out front--click click click--

do not put the equivalent in a majority whip.  While good old nace can be the beacon for liberal democratic politics, the whip runs the laundry list of business.....they will crack hard or soft and hit near or far as it becomes them, I think her mandate is about the asize of Bush's, she has been lamed.................

Bernardo Gui,
Spanish Inquisition  



dcnovice -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/16/2006 8:15:07 PM)

quote:

Myself, I'm as encouraged by this, as I was bothered my Representative Pelosi's choice in the first place.   So the Democrats aren't going to walk in step with their leader. So what! Do you really want them to? Isn't that one of the things that got so many Republicans kicked out in the first place - blind support for the President?   Speaker Elect Pelosi's choice, wasn't chosen. She looked very gracious, as did Representative Murtha. I don't think we saw anyone lose ... I think we saw democracy in action.


Agreed. Made me kinda chuffed to be a Democrat actually.



ToGiveDivine -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 10:22:45 AM)

Fast Reply Hijack:

Her next mistake is Alcee Hastings - talk about political paybacks - less than 2 weeks after declaring she'll clean up Congress she's back to business as usual.

She's a liberal politician - the problem is most people are more upset about the "liberal" part when they should be wary of the "politician" part.  Going to be a long two years if these are the types of decisions she plans to back.



toservez -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 11:54:19 AM)

Pelosi was painted into a corner by Murtha. He was credited as one of the very main reasons for the Dems turning things around with his talk on Iraq. He was also her "campaign manager" in a couple of previous Dem leadership elections. It would have come off very bad if she had not supported him.

Actual reporting and not the lets start up hot air stuff has that Murtha never had a chance and knew it. He had never been in leadership group in the party and just was not going to leap frog others. Every one, including Murtha( now has his name out there for future leadership positions ) got what they wanted in the end and no big rift what so ever.

Now in the future who knows a united front is not something Dems are known to do...



LotusSong -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 12:08:23 PM)

Who got the Majority Whip spot?



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 3:42:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Who got the Majority Whip spot?


Steny Hoyer of Maryland, Lotus.
 
http://democraticwhip.house.gov/about_the_whip/about_steny_hoyer/bio.cfm



caitlyn -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 4:11:32 PM)

James Clyburn of South Carolina.



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 4:28:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

James Clyburn of South Carolina.


You're right, it's Hoyer as House Majority Leader, and Clyburn as House Majority Whip.



caitlyn -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 4:36:18 PM)

Hoyer is the outgoing Democratic Whip, so it's a bit confusing.
 
By the way, what kind of yankee name is Steny, anyway? [;)]



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 7:15:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Hoyer is the outgoing Democratic Whip, so it's a bit confusing.
 
By the way, what kind of yankee name is Steny, anyway? [;)]


Hey, you know those yankees [:D]; I had been calling him "Reny" all day lol.....



mnottertail -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 7:21:53 PM)

OK, so thats old news, now in the minority, who is gonna come as the whip and who is going to be fearless leader........center, right or way right?

That is the ticket.......any re-forming on the Republican side and if so why?
If not, why not?

Sam Rayburn



Level -> RE: Pelosi faces first loss (11/17/2006 7:40:00 PM)

Evening, Ron. The Republicans have Rep. John Boehner as Minority leader, and Roy Blunt of Missouri as Minority whip.
 
I don't like Boehner, just from seeing him do interviews, and I don't know enough about Blunt to say either way. Here's a link that gives some info on each.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061118/ap_on_go_co/congress_leaders



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