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Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 10:42:02 AM   
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Bush Names Exxon Chief to Chart America’s Energy Future

Even for an administration dedicated to putting industry lobbyists in charge of the very agencies they have devoted their careers to undermining (coal and oil lobbyist J. Stephen Griles as Deputy Secretary of the Interior is one of dozens of examples), President Bush has recently outdone himself. He has named Lee Raymond, the retired chief of ExxonMobil, to head a key study to help America chart a cleaner course for our energy needs. Raymond currently chairs the National Petroleum Council (NPC), one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington.

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GEE.....WHAT A SUPRISE.

I guess alternative energy is out of the question then?



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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 11:59:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think this country really has a choice in pursuing alternative energy, regardless of who is in what office. All the oil companies know peak oil is upon us. It becomes a survival game at some point I believe BP has been investing heavily in solar power and alternative energy companies have been having little problems as of late getting venture capital.  Here in Illinois the State government will give you 30% grant up to 10000 on purchasing many alternative energy generation schemes, plus will subsidize businesses and residences with either tax deductions or grants for improving the energy efficiency. The federal government also has many many programs. I summed up what a 30000 dollar solar system would cost with grants and tax savings, and it brought the 30000 down to under 15000. So, the government is pushing this stuff, though it varies widely state to state, but even the federal programs are good. They even offer guaranteed loans at low interest rates for some installations.

I've just in the last couple months have been really looking into this, I'm waiting for nanosolar to start production and selling to the public, they "supposedly" have a new process that will bring the costs per watt to a reasonable level and are backed by alot of major hitters in the solar energy, along with being flush with investment capital.

If they pan out or another company has a break through, I'll be solar next year!!!!

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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 12:51:32 PM   
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I don't think this country really has a choice in pursuing alternative energy, regardless of who is in what office. All the oil companies know peak oil is upon us. It becomes a survival game at some point I believe BP has been investing heavily in solar power and alternative energy companies have been having little problems as of late getting venture capital.  Here in Illinois the State government will give you 30% grant up to 10000 on purchasing many alternative energy generation schemes, plus will subsidize businesses and residences with either tax deductions or grants for improving the energy efficiency. The federal government also has many many programs. I summed up what a 30000 dollar solar system would cost with grants and tax savings, and it brought the 30000 down to under 15000. So, the government is pushing this stuff, though it varies widely state to state, but even the federal programs are good. They even offer guaranteed loans at low interest rates for some installations.

I've just in the last couple months have been really looking into this, I'm waiting for nanosolar to start production and selling to the public, they "supposedly" have a new process that will bring the costs per watt to a reasonable level and are backed by alot of major hitters in the solar energy, along with being flush with investment capital.

If they pan out or another company has a break through, I'll be solar next year!!!!



We're nowhere near "Peak Oil".
That's what they "want" you to think!
It keeps prices up!
They just not too long ago made a discovery in the Gulf off Texas of an Enourmous oil field that's much bigger than all of Alaska!
And now that they're starting to develop "Deep Drilling Technology" they can go way beyond 3 or 4 thousand feet! The latest wells are up to 15,000 feet deep!
We won't see "Peak Oil" for generations yet.
Don't be thinking what the *Big Oil Companies* ("want") you to think!
If you look at the Earth we haven't even scratched the surface yet!
And then there's Russia.
The petrolium engineers said a few years back that Russia has more "known" oil reserves than the entire middle east many times over!
And that's just what they "know" about!
Russia is enourmous, it spans 14 different time zones. The continental U.S. spans 4 time zones.
As for Bush's pick does that really "surprise" anyone?

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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 12:53:23 PM   
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We're nowhere near "Peak Oil".



You are correct...Popeye.

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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 1:03:37 PM   
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I don't think this country really has a choice in pursuing alternative energy, regardless of who is in what office. All the oil companies know peak oil is upon us. It becomes a survival game at some point I believe BP has been investing heavily in solar power and alternative energy companies have been having little problems as of late getting venture capital.  Here in Illinois the State government will give you 30% grant up to 10000 on purchasing many alternative energy generation schemes, plus will subsidize businesses and residences with either tax deductions or grants for improving the energy efficiency. The federal government also has many many programs. I summed up what a 30000 dollar solar system would cost with grants and tax savings, and it brought the 30000 down to under 15000. So, the government is pushing this stuff, though it varies widely state to state, but even the federal programs are good. They even offer guaranteed loans at low interest rates for some installations.

I've just in the last couple months have been really looking into this, I'm waiting for nanosolar to start production and selling to the public, they "supposedly" have a new process that will bring the costs per watt to a reasonable level and are backed by alot of major hitters in the solar energy, along with being flush with investment capital.

If they pan out or another company has a break through, I'll be solar next year!!!!



We're nowhere near "Peak Oil".
That's what they "want" you to think!
It keeps prices up!
They just not too long ago made a discovery in the Gulf off Texas of an Enourmous oil field that's much bigger than all of Alaska!
And now that they're starting to develop "Deep Drilling Technology" they can go way beyond 3 or 4 thousand feet! The latest wells are up to 15,000 feet deep!
We won't see "Peak Oil" for generations yet.
Don't be thinking what the *Big Oil Companies* ("want") you to think!
If you look at the Earth we haven't even scratched the surface yet!
As for Bush's pick does that really "surprise" anyone?


The problem from my understanding is. The methods we are going to have to use to extract the oil are way more costly than the current methods. So, that causes a increase in costs. As far as where we are at in regards to "peak oil" it depends on what oil you include in that. We are nearing peak oil for the easy to get oil. The kind we have been running on thus far. If you include all the hard to reach oil well then we have oil in a technical sense as in there is oil but very hard to extract and process, and at much greater cost.

I'm not a gloom and doomer on the subject, but the fact is easy oil is on it's way down. We do have other oil supplies that dwarf present oil supplies but alot of these are prohibitively costly to extract. That is the real point. So, I don't believe the world will grind to a halt on some future date because there is no oil, but I do believe the price of extraction and it's effect on pump prices will be substantial. How substantial is a guessing game. I'd be hard pressed to believe there won't be upward pressure on the price of oil as a consequence though.

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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 1:44:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right now it costs an "average" of $4 to produce one 42 gallon BBL of oil.
With increases in technology it will be even cheaper.
That's the dilemna the oil companies are in.
Also Russia and other oil producing countries are not in "OPEC".
Ten years from now the tecnology in this area will dwarf anything we have now.
That said, yes, we should also explore new sources of energy, specifically the sun and the ocean.
Those two things alone would give us practically limitless power.

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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 8:34:16 PM   
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They just not too long ago made a discovery in the Gulf off Texas of an Enourmous oil field that's much bigger than all of Alaska!



Of course, the technical difficulties of getting the oil out, as well as the jurisdictional ownership of the oil since it is in international waters that can be equally claimed by the US and Mexico do raise somewhat of an issue.

You dont want Mexicans here, I suspect they dont want US people there.

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And now that they're starting to develop "Deep Drilling Technology" they can go way beyond 3 or 4 thousand feet! The latest wells are up to 15,000 feet deep!



This is off by a bunch of zeros, popeye1250

I have read about drilling techniques which allow us to dig down 10 or more miles in any direction.

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We won't see "Peak Oil" for generations yet.



I would really love for you to provide some actual evidence to support this claim.  Everything I have read seems to think the opposite.

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And then there's Russia.
The petrolium engineers said a few years back that Russia has more "known" oil reserves than the entire middle east many times over!



Well, after we finish up in Iraq, presumably we will invade them next.

Worked so well for Napoleon and Hitler.

My issue with the things you have stated, popeye, is that they seem to assume that we should continue on this insane path to more SUVs and invasion of sovereign nations because it is America's God-given right to use 40% of the planet's natural resources every year.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 9:21:57 PM   
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RE: Bush names Exxon Cheif Energy Czar - 11/5/2006 10:35:17 PM   
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They just not too long ago made a discovery in the Gulf off Texas of an Enourmous oil field that's much bigger than all of Alaska!



Of course, the technical difficulties of getting the oil out, as well as the jurisdictional ownership of the oil since it is in international waters that can be equally claimed by the US and Mexico do raise somewhat of an issue.

You dont want Mexicans here, I suspect they dont want US people there.

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And now that they're starting to develop "Deep Drilling Technology" they can go way beyond 3 or 4 thousand feet! The latest wells are up to 15,000 feet deep!



This is off by a bunch of zeros, popeye1250

I have read about drilling techniques which allow us to dig down 10 or more miles in any direction.

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We won't see "Peak Oil" for generations yet.



I would really love for you to provide some actual evidence to support this claim.  Everything I have read seems to think the opposite.

quote:



And then there's Russia.
The petrolium engineers said a few years back that Russia has more "known" oil reserves than the entire middle east many times over!



Well, after we finish up in Iraq, presumably we will invade them next.

Worked so well for Napoleon and Hitler.

My issue with the things you have stated, popeye, is that they seem to assume that we should continue on this insane path to more SUVs and invasion of sovereign nations because it is America's God-given right to use 40% of the planet's natural resources every year.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy


Sinergy, 10 miles! Well then that's even better!
The situation is even better than I thought if that's the case.
As for the Gulf, if it's in International waters and we drill it it's ours.
As for us using 40% of the world's resources who would you rather see use them?
Ah, we don't have to "invade" Russia, American oil companies are now in partnership with Russians in the oil business and creating new millionaires in that country every month!
Moscow is now the most expensive city in all of Europe.
If we can drill 10 miles deep now just imagine what technology will allow us to do in another 10 years, or in 30.
And what's wrong with S.U.V.'s and pick-up trucks?
They get double the milage of trucks built 20 years ago.
What would you do with all this oil we're going to "save" anyway?

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