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submarriner -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 4:11:28 PM)

Another point of view,
Inviting someone to consider changing their circumstance is similar to one buisness  raiding another's employees. Is it unethical for buisness to offer a better compensation even though a contractual relationship is entered? If you consider a marriage, a collering, or an employment is maintained upon the principles of mutual ensured committment, the parties will stay in relationships that provides the most happiness. If a Master/Mistress ensures emotional happiness and support, most offers will be rebuffed, with a polite no thank you. If emotional support wanes, consideration of more viable relationships will result. A consideration for all to seek the emotional needs of your partner through communication and love, while avoiding selfish comsumption of your partner's emotional resources. On the other hand some invitations are just boorish psuedo-masculine attempts feeding insecure egos.




diamonddreamlove -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 4:52:29 PM)

Never did like a thief.  However i can understand why they might be interested in trying to steal.  Mostly in this area there appear to be much fewer subs/slaves than Dom/Masters.  Makes being a sub in real life very pursued.  However i only associate with those that are approved by my Dom.  He however is of the same belief that i am and that is that if i can be enticed away then i did not belong to him to begin with.  Those Doms that try to steal a sub away should always know that the sub does not have loyalty and if is easily enticed away then she is  probably not such a jewel to own in the first place. 




stockingluvr54 -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 4:54:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Old truism my Step father told me when I was a teen.

"You can't steal a girl who won't be stolen"

They will either allow temselves to be stolen or they will rebuff the advance.
Personally I've found it to be fairly true, and the dea that if I stole her she could be stolen from me always kept me from even trying to steal anyone form someone else.


BINGO......!!!!!!

glad you mentioned that....it's a good one and very true

Here's another one.. "find em in a bar...loose em in a bar" Had that one happen to me a few years back......




LadyHugs -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 5:23:44 PM)

Dear ownedjulia, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I do agree with the majority of posters in response to your original post.
 
The weakest time though, is when a Master/Mistress-slave (and or any like D/s dynamic) is suffering so badly, that the temptation is more inviting then what is at home. 
 
There was a time, where I do recall; that Masters and Mistresses would have their slaves 'tested' as far as loyalty went; to which was often done when there was behavior that was exhibited by slaves that caused some concerns of 'roving eyes.' 
 
That said, I would be of the philosophy, that if a slave was prone to be looking at other prospects, I'll help them look myself.  I don't want any slave in service to me, that doesn't want to be there.  Any hint of roving eyes, I'll give them a pair of glasses, uncollar them and be rid of them.  I rather have no slave, than to have a slave that isn't focused on me and or, more importantly--us.
 
Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs




gretchenS -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:32:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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If i was EASY to steal away, Why would another Master want me?

 
Because your pics on profile are attractive and they want an attractive woman to play with





Yeap...that's pretty much all you need to know about them wanting to steal you. If you take the pics out of the profile, they won't even notice you.




crouchingtigress -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:43:20 PM)

call me crazy.....but any one that is poachable, might just be better with some one they are more compatable...and i would hope that a dominant would not keep her for his own selfish reasons but would instead make the right decision in her best interest.




PlayfulOne -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:45:37 PM)

If it can be stolen that easily then it would never have really been mine.

My girl recently had a former dom and female sub friend try to entice her to run off and join them for a weekend,  let us just say the tirade she unleashed upon them was brutal, lol. 

K




justheather -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:48:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


Stealing is a baseball term, the Raiders are a football team from Oakland.

Ron


And the Colts are a football team from Baltimore.




juliaoceania -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:51:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


Stealing is a baseball term, the Raiders are a football team from Oakland.

Ron


And the Colts are a football team from Baltimore.


But the Stealers are a football team from your state Heather, now I am all confuzzled[:o]




justheather -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:54:01 PM)

You can take the girl out of Baltimore, but you can't take Baldymoor out of the girl.
(Hon)




KatyLied -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 6:54:27 PM)

Heather's twue love is Baltimore.




theRose4U -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 7:01:11 PM)

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having been with a friend over a weekend as he hosted a visiting submissive and she strove to "prove" she was better for him than his current slave. He didn't see/care about it, and it proved very toxic for his ownership of his current slave.
  Well yeah fawning over a new toy is likely to piss off the current one. If she's mad something tells me he brought her home to kick the tires and not for a "friendly weekend visit"...he was busted shopping for a beta.




theRose4U -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 7:09:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stockingluvr54

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Old truism my Step father told me when I was a teen.

"You can't steal a girl who won't be stolen"

They will either allow temselves to be stolen or they will rebuff the advance.
Personally I've found it to be fairly true, and the dea that if I stole her she could be stolen from me always kept me from even trying to steal anyone form someone else.


BINGO......!!!!!!

glad you mentioned that....it's a good one and very true

Here's another one.. "find em in a bar...loose em in a bar" Had that one happen to me a few years back......


Both dead on.




Noah -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 7:12:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: submarriner

Another point of view,
Inviting someone to consider changing their circumstance is similar to one buisness  raiding another's employees.


All things are similar. The question is whether the comparison sheds useful light.

Anyone who turns out to feel that the ethics of intimate personal relationships should be guided by concepts of business ethics should be sold--cheap and quick--(dumping depreciating assets) before anyone bothers to try stealing her.

quote:

Is it unethical for buisness to offer a better compensation even though a contractual relationship is entered?


Yes. It is both unethical and unwise.

If you offer me inducement to break my current contract to enter into one with you, you are announcing your belief in the worthlessness of contracts. If I contemplate taking your offer I'm a fool to expect you to honor your contract with me. In the same light I am a fool not to expect you to require me to violate ethical and probably legal limits while in your employ.

That said, what a nice thing it would be if businesses did indeed honor contracts in just the all-too-common way you are recommending that they disregard them.


quote:

If you consider a marriage, a collering, or an employment is maintained upon the principles of mutual ensured committment, the parties will stay in relationships that provides the most happiness.


On the other hand, if you consider that vows are distinguishable from farts, the parties may proceed on entirely other bases.

Your ideal, I suppose, would entail the spouse of the newly diagnosed terminal cancer patient fleeing with the first person who threw really bitchin' parties? Both parents of the newborn handicapped child absconding in favor of "happier" prospects?

There will hopefully come a time in each person's life when he discovers that there are values and meanings which eclipse by orders of magnitude your guiding principle of "happiness."


quote:

If a Master/Mistress ensures emotional happiness and support, most offers will be rebuffed, with a polite no thank you.


If you believe that one person can ensure another person's happiness, then I'm not surprised if you believe things like: people should interact as corporations do. In fact maybe there was no point in responding to your post. The differences in our points of view may be too great to allow any significant understanding between us.


quote:


If emotional support wanes, consideration of more viable relationships will result. [/quote}

If emotional support wanes, consideration of possible causes and solutions, and concerted effort to move toward solutions, are--believe it or not--real world possibilities. Another possibility is that this engaged, active approach to maintaining a treasured relationship through a period of difficulty will be undertaken with zero energy expended on sizing up other relationships to monkey into.

quote:

A consideration for all to seek the emotional needs of your partner through communication and love, while avoiding selfish comsumption of your partner's emotional resources. On the other hand some invitations are just boorish psuedo-masculine attempts feeding insecure egos.


I'd like to suggest that to recognize your partner as a human being capable of error and forgiveness, faithfulness and compassion is both more clear-eyed and more beneficial to both parties than to envison her as a mechanism, as in: "If emotional support wanes, consideration of more viable relationships will result," or as an economic unit.





julietsierra -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 7:14:24 PM)

The other side of this coin is that when a Master begins to take his slave/submissive for granted, chances are he or she has provided the poacher with just the right opportunity that's needed to gain entry.

Not saying it's right, but someone who's happy simply can't be "stolen" away. While we call ourselves "property," property is a thing. Property doesn't think and it doesn't have feelings and you can pretty much treat your property as you'd please with very little regard to how it might turn out. Afterall, if someone is well and truly just property, one can always go out and get another.

Objectification can be fun, but when the fun starts being something that hurts, the "field" as it were, is ripe for someone to come in and offer an alternative. My mother always said that when you point a finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you, and no one operates in a vacuum. While people are out blaming the slave, some consideration has to be given to the master's behavior as well.

Using the job analogy, if the employee is happy, well taken care of, and respected, chances are they're not going to be easily swayed by any other job that comes along. When that employee starts feeling as if what they're doing is never enough, is never respected; if they feel they are not well taken care of and they are growing unhappier each day, the balance starts to tip in favor of the poacher.

Yes a slave should be more loyal, but a Master also needs to realize that consistently treating someone as if they're valued is probably one of the surest ways of guaranteeing that they will never stray and never be swayed by the illusion of greener grass.

And there are a LOT of dominants who have this happen to them, blame the submissive for not being stronger, and never once look at what changes in how they treat their submissive/slave could have meant to their relationship.

I'm not talking about doting on or scurrying after the submissive/slave, but simple respect and caring goes a long long way to keeping people happy and secure where they are.

While a dominant cant steal a slave who won't be stolen, a dominant also create slaves who won't be stolen. It's all a matter of how much each care about each other.

juliet




justheather -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 7:21:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: julietsierra
It's all a matter of how much each care about each other.

juliet


Oh my goodness.
I stopped believing a long time ago that I can be ____________(you name it) enough to inspire a positive character trait in a person who lacks that particular trait.




LotusSong -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 7:26:03 PM)

You cannot take what is not willing to begin with. As far as the offers..guys are guys.  They gotta try :)  Just accept the compliment and tell them to eat their hearts out :)




marieToo -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (10/31/2006 8:00:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: submarriner

Another point of view,
Inviting someone to consider changing their circumstance is similar to one buisness  raiding another's employees. Is it unethical for buisness to offer a better compensation even though a contractual relationship is entered?


Not necessarily.  It would depend on the circumstances.  For instance, Is the employer upholding his end of the contract?  If not, I see no reason to consider it unethical for another employer to offer a better deal to someone who is deserving of such, or for the employee to disregard the original contract, because his employer is in breach.  A contract isn't worth much if only one person adheres to it.  I don't think there can be one definate yes or no answer to your question, that could possibly apply to all circumstances, between all people, regarding all agreements. There are a million and one possible reasons why people may or may not be able to keep a particular contract, not all of which would be "unethical".

quote:

If you consider a marriage, a collering, or an employment is maintained upon the principles of mutual ensured committment, the parties will stay in relationships that provides the most happiness.
.

Im not sure I would consider an employment contract the same as a marriage 'contract'.  But I would agree that most people would stay where they are happy, fulfilled, etc...be it employment or marriage, which is why I kinda think contracts of 'commitment' are ludicrous, especially where relationships are concerned..  Commitment is in your word and in your heart. And if you dont have that in you, a piece of paper isn't going to change it.




TensionRoom101 -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (11/1/2006 6:57:09 AM)

Well I'm going to give the unpopular contrary view here, as one who has 'stolen' a sub in the past, lured her away from the master she loved.  The master who fucked other girls unprotected behind her back, who beat her up and even hospitalised her once. The Master who would let other guys take their turn on her sexually, and she would do it to satisfy him, then cry herself to sleep while he got drunk and boasted how lucky he was.

Do I feel the need to display any honour to this asswipe who calls himself a master? Did I feel any regret in offering her an alternative? Not even slightly. She was so badly damaged emotionally and spiritually, it took years to rebuild after he had had his fun.  My only regret was not getting him gangraped too to see how he fared.

Clearly, we're talking extremes here. I wouldn't interfere in a D/s relationship ordinarily, nor try to steal another sub, although I never see anyone's sub as their property, not even my own. I certainly wouldn't be interested in poaching someone online based on a few posts on a website and some pictures though, and I wouldn't do it (but more out of respect for the slave than the master).




LadyOunce -> RE: Stealing another Master's Slave (11/1/2006 8:00:24 AM)

In the end, titles and lifestyle aside, we're all human. Being a dominant doesn't make one moral or ethical, the person you are does that.




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