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RE: Internet Training - 10/19/2006 7:08:03 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: SirLordTrainer

Online anything can only go so far, you can read and study, even mentoring is fine. But as for 'online Domination or submission' nothing replaces realtime.



I used to practice with a single tail.

I would blow up a bunch of balloons and try to single tail them around the room without popping them.

Sometimes I would hang one on the wall with tape and hit it without popping it.

Sometimes I would single tail them to try to pop them. 

Much of the time I ended up with single tail marks on my legs, arms, back, neck, face (what was not covered with eye protection) but I figured that was par for the course.

I used to train and teach weapons like nunchaku (ssang bong to Koreans) and I am familiar with the pain associated with learning a dynamic weapon.

I have yet to meet an online Dominant who could explain how to do any of this stuff over the internet.

Is there a plug-in from Microsoft I need to download and install?

But that is just me, and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Internet Training - 10/19/2006 7:11:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirLordTrainer

Online anything can only go so far, you can read and study, even mentoring is fine. But as for 'online Domination or submission' nothing replaces realtime.



I used to practice with a single tail.

I would blow up a bunch of balloons and try to single tail them around the room without popping them.

Sometimes I would hang one on the wall with tape and hit it without popping it.

Sometimes I would single tail them to try to pop them. 

Much of the time I ended up with single tail marks on my legs, arms, back, neck, face (what was not covered with eye protection) but I figured that was par for the course.

I used to train and teach weapons like nunchaku (ssang bong to Koreans) and I am familiar with the pain associated with learning a dynamic weapon.

I have yet to meet an online Dominant who could explain how to do any of this stuff over the internet.

Is there a plug-in from Microsoft I need to download and install?

But that is just me, and I could be wrong.

Sinergy


He said that He can only teach online so far.... but nothing replaces real time .. meaning you can not whip someone online nor can you punish someone online.... those are done in person

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RE: Internet Training - 10/19/2006 7:21:40 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: MMshappysub

He said that He can only teach online so far.... but nothing replaces real time .. meaning you can not whip someone online nor can you punish someone online.... those are done in person



Hello A/all,

I apologize that I was not more clear.

I understand that training online can only go so far.  My point was more about people I meet who have collared submissives in online relationships that span months or years, where they have met a couple of times, and where the individuals involved never unplug from their computer and go out into the Real World.

That sort of online training just boggles my imagination.  I dont get it.

But as usual, this is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Internet Training - 10/19/2006 7:25:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MMshappysub

He said that He can only teach online so far.... but nothing replaces real time .. meaning you can not whip someone online nor can you punish someone online.... those are done in person



Hello A/all,

I apologize that I was not more clear.

I understand that training online can only go so far.  My point was more about people I meet who have collared submissives in online relationships that span months or years, where they have met a couple of times, and where the individuals involved never unplug from their computer and go out into the Real World.

That sort of online training just boggles my imagination.  I dont get it.

But as usual, this is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy


To me those people don't have a real BDSM relationship. 1. they are probley married and that is why alot of them never go real time. That is something that i will never understand!

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RE: Internet Training - 10/19/2006 7:30:18 PM   
sweetnurseBBW


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Status: offline 		Well alot of married people are involved in BDSM. Not cheaters either. Online I dont get.

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RE: Internet Training - 10/19/2006 7:34:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesireDeeva

Does this actually work 4 some people? I have 0 interest in it, I'm a "hands-on" type of domina...


I don't understand. If you have zero interest in it, why start a thread about it at all?

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RE: Internet Training - 10/20/2006 10:03:50 AM   
GoddessDustyGold


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesireDeeva

Does this actually work 4 some people? I have 0 interest in it, I'm a "hands-on" type of domina...


I don't understand. If you have zero interest in it, why start a thread about it at all?

Celeste


Agreed!
Begging pardon to the OP, but anyone who uses the number *4* and a *0* , instead of spelling out the words *for* and *zero* is probably spending most of their time online doing IM and conversing in chatrooms.    
Just My silly observation.

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RE: Internet Training - 10/20/2006 10:28:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I can get head online I MIGHT become interested, till then, who the hell cares?

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RE: Internet Training - 10/20/2006 10:38:08 AM   
TrueCalling


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Status: offline 		Right, Crappy...who the hell cares...Heck if you can't get head in real life, online must be your only option, eh..  What some people will do simply to see themselves in print ~sigh~

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RE: Internet Training - 10/20/2006 11:44:20 AM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: TrueCalling

Right, Crappy...who the hell cares...Heck if you can't get head in real life, online must be your only option, eh..  What some people will do simply to see themselves in print ~sigh~


I can get head online?

Mr. Tiny wont fit into the USB port.  What am I doing wrong?

Sinergy

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RE: Internet Training - 10/20/2006 12:08:03 PM   
xonemasterx


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RE: Internet Training - 5/31/2007 2:52:26 PM   
HardnRuff


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Status: offline 		I think there is no substitute for rt experience , however , Like a few I saw here , if not for online , I would have never found this lifestyle I so dearly love .Many are unable to do it rt and I think that this is a tool for them.  online can be used in a Ds as I have trained in some degree online.  .

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RE: Internet Training - 5/31/2007 3:19:00 PM   
LeatherBentOne


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ORIGINAL: SirLordTrainer

Online anything can only go so far, you can read and study, even mentoring is fine. But as for 'online Domination or submission' nothing replaces realtime.


I most certainly agree.  I have initially met submissives online, but I always advise them that if the online doesn't seem to be progressing to r/t in a reasonable time frame, Im just not interested.

If she has never experienced r/t, there are some excellent resources the Internet and the book stores provide.  I make out a list of topics in order for her to read on, then I ask questions to which the answers provoke individual responses, rather than reguritating what she just read.  I like a thinking submissive; I dont micomanage.  I do this for her to use conceptually, and then the real training starts once we meet.

I get absolutely nothing from Internet scening or cybering, phone sex included.  Therefore, thats not what its about for me.  I use Internet and phone to discuss BDSM topics and give some broad indications of what Im like in a r/t setting.  This way, I can separate the sincerely interested, potential submissive with the desire to serve from the ones who are "here today, gone tomorrow" and/or looking for entertainent or sex.  By doing this, I tend to not waste money, time and energy searching for something that I know isnt a match.  I always go to her and pay my own expenses as her environment is more telling than if she came to me.  Also, my schedule is very flexible.

For me, its not about sex or scening, its about the connection.  Are sex and scening important?  Sure they are, but if I cant connect to your brain, why would I waste my energy connecting to your body. 

Thats where it starts for me, and I methodly enter her mind, step by step, until I see a seed planted and starting to grow.

LBO

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RE: Internet Training - 5/31/2007 4:25:37 PM   
SlyStone


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Status: offline 		 "those who scoff at "internet training" tend to forget there's a whole big handful of us in long distant-type relationships who do just fine.  The training of the mind, and of one's will can surely transcend time and space.  You don't always need to be in the same room for that. I do believe, however, that "real time" is necessary to bring the relationship to optimal depths."





Great point, and while I agree that they are not so different, ie internet training and long distance bdsm relationships, I would in fact go so far as to say that they are in fact very similar, and I am surprised that anyone who is in a long distance d/s relationship would not support the use of internet/phone/ training as a means to intimacy.

I would guess that for a long distance bdsm relationship to last a long time it would be equally, if not more , contingent on the ability to maintain the dynamic when the couple is apart as when the couple is together.

And while I personally have no desire for either a long distant relationship based on occasional real time meeting or an internet based relationship, I think they are both viable  and they both can have tremendous affect and meaning to the people engaged in them. And I would point out that we, who are in alternate styles of relationships, whatever they may be, should not look down on ANY interaction in which the participants achieve some level of meaning and satisfaction.

I think once again it comes down to a case of defining oneself and respecting how others define themselves. If someone in a long distance relationship defines that as a 24/7 d/s commitment that is their right and I will respect it, just as if someone defines their relationship, based on emial and phone conversation, as d/s training, that is their right as well, and I will respect it.


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RE: Internet Training - 6/1/2007 6:02:57 PM   
CMastersen


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Status: offline 		Well - if a prospective slave cannot follow thru with on-line traning I then know it is not worth bothering with them in person.
I usually take one to two weeks with some predefined task to see if they can be obedient with some basics.
saves Me time!!
many say they are slaves, but are really more subs. (well, by My definition that is! :) )

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RE: Internet Training - 6/1/2007 6:29:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesireDeeva

Does this actually work 4 some people? I have 0 interest in it, I'm a "hands-on" type of domina...


(No...but having seen your photo, I can tell you honestly...you're the only woman I ever truly loved).

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RE: Internet Training - 6/2/2007 8:48:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah it can work for some and for others it doesn't work that all.

I think it is important to differentiate between Dominating and Topping.

Many actually see both as one and the same.  For such individuals.. online would not be a functional option.

For some who sperate Dominating from Topping.. there is a possibility that the online situation is a functional option.

Topping is very much a physical interaction at it's base between two people.  While Dominating has mental interaction as it's base.  If the interactioin stays more in the mental level... then it opens the door for online situations.  However, for many the online will become a frustrating venture.  Even thou ones intial interactions start at a intellectual level, it will inspire a person emotionally and physically.  Individuals will seek to open these emotional and/or physical doors.  It is then that in some degree that online will reach it's limitations.

However, it should be noted that face-to-face also has it's limitations.  The problem is that these limitations are less obvious to those involved.  Just because one is Face-to-Face.. one is NOT free to do all the physical stuff one fantasizes about.  It maybe more than online.. but it is not unlimited.

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 6/2/2007 8:52:12 AM >

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RE: Internet Training - 6/2/2007 10:47:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems to me that dominance and submission are largely mental states, so there's no fundamental reason that a person with the proper attitude, disposition and commitment can't benefit from on-line training, or even training-by-mail, with sufficient patience.  The problem is that there are real differences between long-distance and face-to-face interactions, and you can't really know how much 'on-line submission' will really translate into real-time submission, and how much is simply an intense fantasy of submission, until, of course, it is put to the test.  A critical difference is that at long distance, the submissive has a great deal of difficulty, for better or worse, really feeling under the power of the dominant. Putting aside all the gibberish about consent for a moment, when a naked girl is tied ass-up over a chair-back with a gag in her mouth and she hears the swish of a crop behind her, she is, in that moment, in the power of another in a way that no online experience can duplicate.

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RE: Internet Training - 6/2/2007 2:37:27 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: MMshappysub

He said that He can only teach online so far.... but nothing replaces real time .. meaning you can not whip someone online nor can you punish someone online.... those are done in person



How does one learn how to whip online?

Sinergy

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RE: Internet Training - 6/3/2007 10:09:25 AM   
Pucci


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Status: offline 		Well, its more a to each his own kind of subject. For some, internet training works out, for others not so much. One could see it as a prescreening for future rendezvous or another way to get to know someone. For me, as well as many of you here, r/t training is better. You can't learn everything from or over the computer, and real experience is the best teacher. But like I said, internet training is probably more of a prelim for a possible deeper relationship.

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