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LadySeraphina -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 12:24:54 PM)

Thank you to everyone who makes such valid points:

1. There is a difference between lifestyle proDommes and proDommes who are only interested in making money. Not that there is a problem with that if they are honest, but those of us who are lifestylers AND pros are a different breed.

2. Some people just like to be rude and judgemental. We have to deal with it.

3. (My point only.) Some of us form long term, strong bonds with our client/submissives. Many, if not all, of my clients are also my friends, and I value them as much as my personal subs. The only difference between the two is that most of my clients are married, or otherwise not looking for the 'relationship' aspect of play. That means on one hand that they aren't offering enough of themselves to satisfy the average lifestyle Domme (I know there are exceptions to this), and also that they want the non-sexual, no romance aspect of playing with me. We still spend time together, we still have trust and a bond, it's just that we do it differently.

Anyway, that was much longer than I intended. I just meant to applaud you all for recognizing that not all pros are Evil. Well, I am, but that's another story!




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 2:15:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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I can think of other things we should be getting rid of...like for instance pedifiles.


What do you have against keeping records of peoples' feet?



Whoops My bad...LOL...
I can handle a whip,but never learned how to spell...hehehe



I am certainly glad to see not E/everyone has the negative vibes.
Thanks for reassuring there are good people out there in this world of dismay.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 2:17:22 PM)

That's something you use to smooth down your toenails, right?

Edited to add:  FUCK.  Other people saw it before I did.

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

I can think of other things we should be getting rid of...like for instance pedifiles.




undergroundsea -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 2:47:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston
Actually I know of a nice foot fetishist who might like to incorporate that.  In his rolodex instead of face pics next to contact info he can put toe shots to make a pedifile.


<taps the side of his head> I keep my pedifiles right here. I have at times been out at, say, a dance club where I recognized a gal as someone I had seen pass by earlier in the night. And I did so by recognizing her feet!

It's hard to recognize faces when your eyes have constantly been looking at the ground ;-)

Cheers,

Sea




Steelriven -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 3:46:56 PM)

Maybe they are a bit jealous? I see nothing wrong with being a Pro dominant-submissive. As long as they are clear about what their clients are going to get, and give them that.

Hell, if I were dominant hehe, once upon a time I might have considered it.





CreativeDominant -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 4:02:48 PM)

Personally, I have no problem with Pro Dommes...they provide a service and are reimbursed for that service.  The free market at work.

I've stated my views on "tribute" and why I disagree with that.  I think that many lifestyle Dommes, by continuously demanding "tribute" of a material nature, dangerously blur the line between lifestyle and Pro.





Jasmyn -> RE: Question (10/19/2006 4:14:13 PM)

Creative thank you for saying this!
 
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I think that many lifestyle Dommes, by continuously demanding "tribute" of a material nature, dangerously blur the line between lifestyle and Pro.


Not everyone who asks for tributes offer professional domination ... but everyone who asks for tributes is classed as a 'pro dom' ....




Focus50 -> RE: Question (10/20/2006 2:19:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

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For those Dommes who can both live it and get paid for it - more power to you, I guess....  Truthfully, I'm not sure if I pity or envy anyone who can dominate without personal, intimate investment in the one being dominated.  My BDSM has always been about who I'm sharing it with rather than what is being done; which makes it my pleasure, not my job....


This is such generalised patronising crap ... there are fecking hundreds, literally thousands of people who dominate without personal or intimate investment in the one being dominated .. at least a pro domme can be honest about what you'll get and why

Lol, love the irony!  You actually know these "fecking hundreds, literally thousands of people" or you're just the queen of generalising? 
 
And this "honesty" you speak of is the same justification any prostitute can hide behind - and I don't do that either....
 
Focus.




WhiteRadiance -> RE: Question (10/20/2006 2:39:23 PM)

Sassy
 
Just want to say I respect you a lot.  I think there are a number of people here who judge everyone who holds out their hand for "tribute"- as a pro.  This just isn't so. 
 
All these guys know is what they have had contact with- and I can bet very few- if any- have had a real session with a real pro.  Yet they think they are qualified to judge.
 
We all know just what we have experienced.  I feel that there are a lot of opinions being flung around by people who have little, if any experience with a pro, or lifestyle dommes. Yet they seem to have a lot of experience with these internet cyber geekstresses who have a flashy pic and demand "tribute".  
 
It seems to me that the common denominator is the poor victim sub.  He apparently is seeking something only fakes and tribute hos can provide. Otherwise I think he should be able to find a "real" Mistress.  Maybe he is a "fake" sub...


 
 
 
 
 
 
 




Noah -> RE: Question (10/20/2006 6:42:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: toservez

Why? Because we must always be judging others to feel good about ourselves and especially if something is directly affecting us and Pro Dommes are an easy moral target.

Personally as long as they are up front and honest about it, more power to them.

Lin


Yes. And how refreshing it is when we see a professional dominatrix be up front and honest about it. Oh there are plenty who do and they have my respect for it. What we see more often, though, is along these lines, from the OP

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We are not whores We are Professional Women
who can run Our own business doing something We like to do.


First of all it denies the truth. Yes you are professional; a professional sex worker. A prostitute. A whore. I don't have a problem with that but I presume based on a the original poster's self-denial that she herself has problems with what she does for a living.

And then there is the whole "tribute" thing.

I can claim that the people I build houses for are not "paying" me but rather offering me "tribute" because I am not a carpenter but rather a Domestic Architectrist--or some such preposterous crap. Or I can be honest and up front about what I do--which is how I choose to conduct myself because I feel no shame regarding the work I have chosen.

I don't think the term "tribute" has no place. If one person chooses to honor another with money or gifts, and the offering and receiving are in just that spirit then perhaps the word gets some traction. But if you are a self-proclaimed professional, if this is what you do for a living, you aren't being "tributed." You are being paid. You are working for the person signing the checks. That's what the word professional indicates. If you want the lovely patina of the word--which is fine by me--then take what comes in the package with it.

By deciding to support yourself by performing these services for pay you can claim the right to call this your profession. Rock on and take what is your due. But accordingly you are fooling no-one if you refuse to admit that your wages are your wages. You are being paid for a job of work just like the guy in the cafeteria dish room or the cancer researcher in her lab. No better and no worse. Get the fuck over yourself.

Beyond serving as a vain denial of the patently obvious reality of her life the OP can be seen to be putting herself above other sex workers. If you just blow guys for money you're low, a Whore. If you spank them with or without the blowjob you're exalted, a Professional. What a load of crap.

This setting apart of one group of female sex workers over and against the others just strikes me as one more instance of the sadly too prevalent tendency of some groups of women to be the worst enemies of their own gender. So it isn't just lame as hell. It is harmful to women and therefore to the community generally.

Who needs an entrenched patriarchy to oppress women when so many career women are so willing to denigrate the efforts and accomplishments of housewives? When so many housewives are so willing to denigrate the efforts and accomplishments of career women? When one group of sex workers are so willing to denigrate the work of those who are for all intents working in the cubicle next door? And not only denigrate their work but suggest that the non-kinky sex workers (whores, prostitutes, use the synonym of your choice) are somehow lesser beings.

'We aren't whores." Indeed. How awful would that be?

Does the word "whore" have a sting that you don't like? Well take it away from those who use it as a weapon against women who choose this work. Say it with pride.

Punk used to be an insult. Now those in the punk culture wear it with pride. Gays have made a lot of progress in the battle to make descriptors of their gender preference just that, neutral descriptors, rather than generic insults. "Pig" used to be a piece of powerful invective thrown at cops. Now the local police softball team has cartoon pigs on their team t-shirts and some wear cute little "porky" pins on their uniforms. If a word like "Pig" (in just this context) can be re-appropriated then certainly a much more straightforward term like prostitute or whore can be re-appropriated.

But if you don't, can't or won't take the word back and honor it and what it signifies and instead you use it as a weapon against other women then you are therefore complicit in the oppression you share with them. If you do this while vainly attempting to deny your own reality then you are pathetic.

Like toservez I'm cool with pro dommes. I'm not cool with grandiose self-delusion and bullshitting the public.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Question (10/20/2006 6:49:21 PM)

The only problem I have ever had with ProDommes have been with Ladies that try and collect for services rendered after the fact without first informing their partners that they plan on being paid. I find that to be a bit to sneaky for my tastes.
A pro who is openly into what they do is offering a service that there is a demand for.  If people werent looking, they wouldnt be working.  I have no more problem with a prodomme than I do a banker, waitress or grocery clerk.  We all make our money somehow.

DV




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