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Termyn8or -> RE: Magna Carta, or It Just Doesn't Matter Any Longer! (10/14/2006 7:22:54 AM)
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The common Law people drove me nuts with this. On top of mentioning YHWH to the courts, filled with the truly Pharisic, they would quote the Magna Carta. What they didn't realize that it was as futile as quoting the code of Hamurabi. It is not the Law of THIS land. The common Law movement in this country has dwindled due to this misdirection.
I agree with part of their theme, that the Constitution is the only true Law of the land and everything else is rightly called a code, statute or ordinance. Even the tax code, and I know people who have openly defied the IRS and lived to tell about it. They do have some limited success. Then they shoot themselves in the foot.
For example, one part of it was driver's license rescension. They actually sent them back and requested that they be cancelled. When they actually had to go get another because they found this to be impractical. When they signed they added "TDC" which indicates that they signed under Threat, Duress or Coersion. All fine and good. Some added UCC something or other which supposedly means that they retain all their rights under the Constitution. All fine and good. Well it was.
Under common Law, a document signed under threat, duress or coersion is invalid. So when they mentioned the Magna Carta in legal documents in this country, they were blowing smoke up two asses, first of all it never applied to the US, and second of all it was signed under duress. They themselves claim that their signature was invalid because of the duress of not being able to freely travel, which is a very valid point and could be proven in court by the right person. But such a person would be smarter than to mention certain things.
Most have died off, and the one common law-er I know is now disposessed. This due to an argument, and his stupidity. He was doing well, classified as a non-taxpayer, even handled a divorce that way. It was a friendly divorce and only happened because his Wife is a taxpayer.
This guy is articulate and diligent, but really not too smart. That is the heart of the argument. First of all he was making alot of money, and keeping it being a non-taxpayer, but he wanted more. He wound up selling a half ounce to a snitch and getting caught.
It wasn't as bad as the Moussoui trial, but the court ordered a psychological exam after reading his documents. I had him burn me a CD of all documents he filed with the court so I could perhaps determine where he went wrong. Well after going to the wrong porn sites he thought he was under scrutiny of the PC, so he wiped it and reloaded it, then wanted the disk back. Well, I was walking out the door and simply couldn't stick around.
Then the final argument, he twisted the situation with the mastery of a politician. That he gave me the disk to help me, to have all this valuable information. For what ? When I get as stupid as you and instead of cutting a deal I could also antagonize the court ? I was trying to do something for him and he turned it around that he was supposedly doing something for me.
I never do any backroom dealings with people I don't know. This guy was making over $100,000 a year tax free, lawfully, but decided to sell a little weed. What's more the snitch knew about his other house where he grew it and told of course. This guy was a disgruntled ex-employee to boot ! So they raid both houses and get his whole crop and thousands in hydroponic equipment.
Now he got the charges dismissed once, pending federal intervention, but the feds didn't bite and the state picked it back up. That's when they bantered documents back and forth for a bit until they ordered the psych exam. That is why I wanted to see all the documents. To figure out where he screwed up. If they dropped the charges once, were they wrong then, or are they wrong now ?
A complex situation indeed, and had he played his cards right he might be out of it now, of course having antagonized the court they give him a court date about a week after the last. For some reason, some sort of due process rules do apply otherwise he would be doing time right now, but he is not.
He had realized that the YHWH shit was not working, but somehow screwed this up anyway. I had pointed out to him that in the Constitution they refer to "the creator", not God. This is a mistake alot of people make. This country was not founded on Christian principles, not at all. "Endowed by their Creator", remember ?
I do firmly agree with common Law principles, that something is not a crime just because they write a statute or code against it. Most "law" in this country is contrary to the Constitution and is difinitely null and void, but as I explained, they got the guns and the keys to the jail.
Anyway, just what is "threat, duress or coersion" ? They make the case that the duress applied to signing your driver's license application, is that they will impede your Contstitutional right to travel freely if you do not. A valid point indeed, but let's put it into context. It is null and void because of the duress. The Magna Carta is null and void due to duress.
Now the signers of our Constitution were under the duress of continuing to live under oppressive rule if they didn't act. So is it null and void as well ? These days it seems to be.
The suppliers of the duress to get the Magna Carta signed were aristocrats, they may have used private armies to get the job done, but it's not like a gang showed up at the palace one day and ......
Likewise, the founders of this country were not commoners. It could also be speculated that they were actually supposed to do it, and were sent to do it by the English government. I can't really support that, but it is a possibility. Of course look where we are now. Got dragged into WW2 and now Blair and Bush are best buddies.
I'm not saying it was all part of the plan, but when a certain group of people get into a position of extreme superiority, there is a definite possibility that it was planned. Lincoln said it, when you see a pile of logs one day and a cabin in the same spot the next, there was a plan. Remember this fact about a conspiracy, if it works it ceases to be a conspiracy, at least by contemporary definition.
Us conspiracy theorists actually don't wonder IF there is one, we wonder just what the plans are. We have a very good idea, but need more specifics. If you can't see that world "leaders" are in cahoots to manage the people and stay in power (and rich) you need glasses.
The fact of the matter is that no piece of paper means a damn thing in the end, might makes right. That's why the second Amendment exists. That's why I am dismayed by all the people who want to take the guns away. I expect it from politicians, but when people start to support it I am in fear. Fear that people can be talked into giving up a tool for survival. Gun control in Austrailia ? They got crocs down there. I hope the gun control nuts each and every one of them, have one of their children eaten by a croc or wild animal.
I'll tell you what it is, when they want to take the guns that means they are planning to do something that should warrant shooting them.
A piece of paper can't do that.
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