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juliaoceania -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 6:29:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Estring

I can't see how you can be in a relationship that would be devoid of expectations. Why would someone get in to a relationship without expecting something? Even in a relationship without expectations?
It sounds to me like you are "expecting" something that doesn't exist.  


Your right, even in the most casual of relationships, one would expect to be treated nicely (unless they had a kink for otherwise, and even then it is nice to them). A person would expect someone to be honest about their disease and drug status, ...etc




Mavis -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 7:12:35 AM)

my experience with "no expectations" is different.  i always said no expectations for a first meet because..  a lot of times guys would come with the idea that they might get into a dominanting scenario with a sub, and i was meeting as a peer..  so kill that expectation right up front.

Other times that's been used, is with a Dom i was seeing, and He'd lit my cigs until one day He just ignored my dangling cig..  He lit every cig of every chick there leaving me utterly confused.  What happened to His manners?  He was taking the time to point out that as W/we were getting more to the D/s type of power exchange, i wasn't going to be able to just assume certain rights on my part, and certain behaviors on His part.  It was a show of the parameters of control, and i appreciated it.  "Oh yeah!   that's what i'm here for, i nearly forgot".   It makes the diff tween D/s and boy-girl dating. 

Master does the same, if i reek of expectations, can bet He's going to do the opposite of what i think He will or should..  just to remind me of my place..  i can drive if i wish, but i usually like the destination much better when He's driving, that IS why i'm riding with Him.

If i kept hearing "No expectations" from prospective Doms i was meeting, i might check to see if i were sending out signals that i was pinning hopes on Him being "The One"  and They're getting skeetchy on it?   Are you discussing scenarios in termsof "If i were Yours.. or When .." and talking possible futures and stuff?  That would make ME go "Whoa,  hey, no expectations here, ok?" 

Check your verbage to see if you're projecting "future sight". 




Frank01 -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 7:19:28 AM)

Another reason for a dominant to say "no expectations" is one when comes across as VERY demanding, and having WAY too many. It's a way of seeing if you are going to be too stubborn to bother with.




twicehappy -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 7:56:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

"no expectations?"


LMAO.......When i hear it from a guy i take it to mean "expect nothing from me but play" and when i hear it from a girl i take it to mean "you are probably not getting any". 




sapphirepleasure -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 8:02:28 AM)

FR--

I think it's important to distinguish between *expectations* and *desires*.  Expectations can and often do lead to disappointments whereas desires are natural and should be acknowledged to oneself but not imposed on another person.

sp




CrappyDom -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 9:14:12 AM)

Just because words are leaving our mouth does in no way mean we are "communicating" as we use the term here. 

Saying I am not willing to settle down till I find the right person and am currently dating and looking for that one person is much clearer than "no expectations"

What I would interpret that to mean is you don't expect nor plan on playing on the first date but anything could happen.

The real problem you are running into is most dominants are tiny little people with deep seated insecurities, which is why they feel the need to control.




Ropeuin -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 6:21:36 PM)

I believe the statement is totally subjective and would need to be defined by the individual prior to committing to anything specific in a relationship.  The open communication part of the best D/s relationships dictates that we approach these things with a complete understanding of what we are agreeing to.  So if someone says no expectations, ask them what that means to them and go forward with open eyes.




Amaros -> RE: Expectations.... (10/2/2006 9:55:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sapphirepleasure

FR--

I think it's important to distinguish between *expectations* and *desires*.  Expectations can and often do lead to disappointments whereas desires are natural and should be acknowledged to oneself but not imposed on another person.

sp


Good point, and probobly more along the lines of how I approach the subject - I do have desires, and it's difficult not to translate those into expectations - and face it - everybody has them.

The problems is, it's very rare to meet somebody who conforms to your expectation: you just don't know what someone is like until you meet them, and then you either try to change them to fit your expectations (seldom or never works), or compromise and adjust your own expectations to more closely match theirs (works if both sides work towards the middle), or you just figure out you're both going in different directions and chalk it up to experience.

So the best approach is to try and keep your expectations to a minimum, that way you don't end up resenting somebody who might turn out to be a good friend, even if they don't meet your expectations. Not always easy, but it comes with experience.

The worst though, is when you bury your expectations, and settle for less than you need - sooner or later those expectations are going to resurface, and everybody is going to end up miserable - so you really need to think about what you want vs. what you need.

I do have certain expectations that I'm unwilling to compromise on, because I'm not willing to make myself miserable for somebody, other areas where I'm more flexible because I don't expect or desire anyone to make themselves miserable for me.

Even in courting submissives, I'm kinda wary about martyr complexes, which can turn into a very tedious kind of passive-aggressive control trip. I think a good sub needs to be on a fairly even keel psychologically - I can't really figure out your expectations until I understand your motivations, an dI see it as part of my duty to try to get you bring you to equalibrium  - otherwise, what fun ould there be in knocking you off your keel again? - But even if it turns out to be less than favorable to my cause, otherwise I risk getting locked into an unhealthy cycle.

These are the sort of expectations I entertain, beyond the superficial somatic level of sexual experimentation.

This isn't always some deep psychological thing, could be a sensation or emotion junkie, or you might just be kinky, and that works - it would tend to affect the approach I would take however, in order to acheive the best rapport.




gypsygrl -> RE: Expectations.... (10/3/2006 6:42:32 PM)

littleone: yes, I think you've nailed my problem on the head.  I feel pressure to partner up from a lot of directions, both external and inside me, even thought I neither want or need to at the moment.  This is the conflict.  Thank you for putting it so nicely. :)

Mavis, its me who's getting skeetchy, not the Dominants.  Some seem to rush right to the assumption of ownership within a few days of casual conversation.  I think we're talking in generalities, exploring likes and dislikes, then all of a sudden the hair on the back of my neck start to stand up and I feel like they're trying to trick me into submission.   I'm the one who's trying to minimize expectations, and I spend so much time doing it, that I'm wondering if maybe I am sending mixed signals.  Checking my verbiage is great advice.  It can't hurt.

CrappyDom, yeah.  I think you're probably right.

Amaros, you're right about the settling.  People don't change, and I'm not going to be miserable.  That's why I want to spend time exploring before commiting, either talking at length before playing, or playing a while before comitting.

In general, I never thought the phrase 'no expectations' was to be taken literally as in with out any expections at all.  I don't think other's use it that way either.  It's short hand for "no expectations of a comitted, exclusive relationship."  I should have been clearer in my original post.




SirLordTrainer -> RE: Expectations.... (10/3/2006 7:59:50 PM)

I compromise by saying I have no 'high expectations'   grin




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Expectations.... (10/3/2006 11:49:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
The real problem you are running into is most dominants are tiny little people with deep seated insecurities, which is why they feel the need to control.


LOL...yep, everybody but you and me, Crappy.




Nimkii -> RE: Expectations.... (10/4/2006 12:26:59 AM)

if you have no expectations then why are you bothering to get involved in anything.  sound like they just are looking for and easy piece of ass or a scene slut who will take the wam bam thank you and be happy with that. Dam Men are just going downhill.  Men should have some expectations. Even plants have expectations.




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