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pahunkboy -> dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 3:46:20 PM)

i recieved a well intentioned warning from a nieghbor - that i am too keep an eye on my beautiful dog as both of hers ate rat posioning and died.

ok. how does this happen?

my dog wont drink beer. she will kill mice, she once ate a bird after i told her no. she was sick after that.

in the fall rodents try to come in for the winter.

i assume she means they ate decon.

i use sticky traps. mainly i am concerned  with the bedrrom and kitchen.

my dog is 100 german sheppard.

smarter then some people....but will eat 3x the amount if i let her.

i dont put out decon. i dont know who does.

any ideas ? i know sheba will run and by the time i call her back she could gobble stuff down. yet to chain her is bad- as is wrecks my back trying to hold her chain.

i always make sure she has fresh water.

i cant stop any neighbor from putting out decon.  [theyld simply point out the leash law]

any ideas on this one?



missturbation -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 4:25:18 PM)

 cant stop any neighbor from putting out decon.  [theyld simply point out the leash law]

any ideas on this one?
Obey the leash law
 
know sheba will run and by the time i call her back she could gobble stuff down. yet to chain her is bad- as is wrecks my back trying to hold her chain.
train her to walk on a lead properly.



pahunkboy -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 4:34:32 PM)

then it is a metal leash.

when she dont want to move- she can be a ton of weight.

99% she doesnt go off the lot, its the 1 % of remainder that concerns me. or maybe it is 95/5 ratio. who knows.

i wont physically discipline her. large dogs get hip problems when they age.



missturbation -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 4:37:42 PM)

with respect this is of ur own making for not training her to walk on a leash.take her to obedience classes and get her on a leash. otherwise u have no1 to blame but urself if she eats things she shudnt be.



Aileen68 -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 4:42:15 PM)

Fence in your yard.



velvetvixen68 -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 4:49:21 PM)

actually there are a couple things you can do..you can put a shock collar on her and when she does run give her a little zap..after the first couple times she will learn to not run..the current in those are not too extreme.just put it on during training..another thing you can do is train to accept food only from you..it does take time and patience but its time well spent considering the alternative..i have lost two dogs due to poisoning..one was rat poison  <which is cyanide> and the other was arsenic which is used to kill gophers..very sad and ugly deaths..good luck to you

vixen



juliaoceania -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 6:54:44 PM)

I have heard of people intentionally poisoning dogs, sick but true



DomKen -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 7:07:34 PM)

Intentionally poisoning dogs isn't uncommon. Any time you hear of a dog dieing from drinking antifreeze it's likely it was intentional poisoning.



spanklette -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 7:42:43 PM)

I have two huge dogs. I trained them to properly walk on a leash for their own protection, not the neighbor's. Basically, I can trust them to stay at my side 99% of the time but it only takes one accident to be fatal. If they wanted to, they could snatch me right off my feet, but a gentle tug on the leash is all they need to remind them who's boss. They learned easily enough. Positive reinforcement works wonders with animals, even my stubborn ones.  
 
This is where you as a responsible pet owner have to pick your battles. Figure out what motivates your dog and get her trained up. Training is a wonderful way to cement a bond, so have fun with it.  



LotusSong -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 7:50:46 PM)

 
y suggestion is to clocker train.  Get her used to the clicker sound by clicking it and giving her a treat.  Soon she will associate the sound of the clicker to the reward.  When you want her to come to you she should come to the sound of the clicker.  That is a method I swear by.  I've tried a shock collar and decided it was better for my submissive than my dog.  it is not a positive reinforcement.  You could do the invisible fence thing. http://www.invisiblefence.com/
 
I agree about getting some formulating.  I have a 125# lab mix and  it was an absolute necessity.  I can train her to anything with the clicker method.



Najakcharmer -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 7:52:45 PM)

I've heard of people leaving meat lying around that was spiked with hot pepper, until the dogs figure out that ANY food left lying on the ground that is not in their approved bowls or fed from your hand is painful to eat.

It's not comfy for the dog in the short term but may ultimately save its life in a situation like this.



spanklette -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/26/2006 8:11:09 PM)

I haven't tried the clicker, although, I'm interested in giving it a shot. How fast did your dog pick it up? Mine are trainable, but stubborn. I hate starting something with them that we can't finish...but they have "hard limits".[:D]
 
My rottweiler mix loves, loves, loves to play fetch and my shepherd mix is totally confused. At least, they picked up the leash and house training. [8|]



UtopianRanger -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/27/2006 1:26:54 AM)

quote:

i recieved a well intentioned warning from a nieghbor - that i am too keep an eye on my beautiful dog as both of hers ate rat posioning and died.


I have a couple of beautiful, loving labs......and just thought of someone {and me finding-out their identity} trying to poison or hurt them would cause me to call my attorney in advance, telling him to be prepared to motion the judge to have me released on my own recognizance.




 - R



Liannan -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/27/2006 2:12:30 AM)

Another possibilty:  Pick up a "gentle leader" harness for walking on a leash if you are afraid she will hurt herself fighting the leash.  My recently deceased rottweiler/great dane mix was a rescue and came to me at 165 pounds of untrained muscle and we had to use a gentle leader for quite a while before I trusted her to walk on collar on my property and I never did trust her without the gentle leader off-property.  She was just too strong and she outweighed me.  I did get her trained for the final three years of her life (died at age 8 which is pretty old for a big dog) that I had her but keeping her safe was my job.  Here is a site about the Gentle Leader:  http://www.gentleleader.com/pages.cfm?ID=29

I personally prefer to train them early and young the "freeze" command and I do let my dogs loose on my unfenced property but I don't have neighbors close enough to try to poison my dogs.  My current pair is a Giant Schnauzer and a Boston Terrier but at the end of October our Shiloh Shepherd puppy will be released to come home from the breeder's.  Poppy did very well in he obedience ring and we work on her skills frequently so we know she is reliable.  Wraith also is very well trained and rarely leaves my side for anything anyway and both can be trusted loose because even if they're chasing something at a full out run, if I say "freeze" both will simply drop to lay down until I can get to them.  This takes a lot of training effort in a fenced area but is well worth it.  



MistressMaamNH -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/27/2006 2:26:35 AM)

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i wont physically discipline her. large dogs get hip problems when they age.

Physically disciplining any animal regardless of size or propensity for physical ailments is never warranted in My opinion.  It's abuse plain and simple, and teaches the animal to fear and cower from you..not obey out of respect and love.
quote:

i cant stop any neighbor from putting out decon.  [theyld simply point out the leash law]

The leash law is there for a reason.  To protect you, your animal and others. It is meant for small dogs just as well as large dogs.  If you  have a large dog, it is essential that you train them to be well mannered, on and off the leash.  German Shephards are a working class breed of dog.  They thrive on training and discipline.  It's why they make such great dogs for the military and security/police forces.  Decon rat poison isn't the only danger to your dog's health and well-being out there.  If you care for your pooch as much  as it appears you do, you would be doing him and you, a great favor by enrolling you both in an obedience class.  Best of luck to you both.

MMNH



pahunkboy -> RE: dog eats rat poison ?? (9/27/2006 5:49:42 AM)

for the most part she is well trained.  the word "BAD" is saved for when she has absolutely crossed the line.

she is sorta an indoor dog. i learned there are 1001 ways for a chain to break.  i dont know how many would actually try to purposely poisen a dog. even tho someone mentioned fence, i got to thinking- 6 foot of it would correl her enuff to know which way she went.

i regret having her spayed. of all the dogs i had over the years- she is my partner. i did not seek her out. jennys neighbor was moving she said hey roger, want a dog? i said hmm, ill come up and look.  she has the patience that i dont. lol. ill have to find a pic of her.

someone mentioned asernic vs cyanide. how would you know the differnece?



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