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RE: Folsom Fringe Presentation Provides "Common De... - 9/27/2006 8:43:35 AM

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I guess they work "well enough" but they really aren't accurate. I know of spiritual bonds that occur in many top/bottom scenarios and M/s relationships are certainly usually physical and mental also.

Re: "Watered Down BDSM", I think these terms are useful - albeit unvailed purpose put's the implicit rebuttal best, or at least it's vaguest:

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How does one accurately define a highly individualized imaginatively driven totally ambiguous ever evolving altering and changing frame of mind? Titles are nonsense, but no more so then the thinking or belief shared hallucinations and the mindset of the sociopath are capable of altering and/or changing a lie into a truth.

This is true, in a sort of way: D/s isn't just a steady-state, it's a continuum - not static, but dynamic - but at the same time, there does need to be a language that describes stages and "plateaus", for lack of a better term, along this continuum - in the same way that the Tarot describes the journey through life, from the Fool (inexperienced youth) to the Magician (wisdom).

Not everybody takes the same steps, or takes them at the same speed, and may be more comfortable on a certain plateau - but they are there, and I believe it's possible to be at a certain stage temporarily, without it neccessarily being "fixed" - tops become bottoms, bottoms become tops, switches may be one at one moment, another the next - there is a difference between "description" and "labelling".

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RE: Folsom Fringe Presentation Provides "Common De... - 9/27/2006 9:00:46 AM

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Personally, I might be more inclined to use the terms "Priest/Priestess" to describe the spiritual dynamic, but then I have a fairly explicit definition of these roles in accordance with historical gnostic practices.

Master/slave does have a spiritual connotation to me, but while it describes a relationship of deep permenence and trust, it could just as easily describe roleplaying, or sheer drudgery for that matter.

"Slut" fits in there somehow, I'm not sure exactly how, but it can have almost more spiritual connotations than "slave" - derogotory terms for the expression of female sexuality typically stem from suppression of religious expressions of sexuality, particularly the female, by more organized and militant religions - in Hebrew, "Haridistu" is a secular prostitute, and tolerated, while "Quadistu" is a temple "prostitute", proscribed, and violently persecuted.

Such women however, were actually members of an ancient orchardist communal religion, who were persecuted by the Hebrews - when the OT makes reference to "destroying their groves", it refers to the destruction of one of these communities.

These women, however, were reputedly highly sought after as mates.

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RE: Folsom Fringe Presentation Provides "Common De... - 9/27/2006 9:06:01 AM

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Master/slave does have a spiritual connotation to me, but while it describes a relationship of deep permenence and trust, it could just as easily describe roleplaying, or sheer drudgery for that matter.

I have a friend who is exploring swinging with her mate, and hearing her speak of the journey they have undertaken (they have some shades of D/s too mind you) has shown me how much trust and acceptance swinging would take. It would not be for me, but that does not negate it as a relationship requiring communication, trust, and complete acceptance of your partner if a couple wants to do it successfully. Listening to her has been quite an eye opener.

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RE: Folsom Fringe Presentation Provides "Common De... - 9/27/2006 9:15:55 AM

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True, I think the spiritual aspect of this is fairly difficult to put into succinct catagory - it would seem to be a relationshipt that crosses and trancends roles, whether D/s, polyamorous, or even vanilla relationships.

Have to research that one a bit further.

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RE: Folsom Fringe Presentation Provides "Common De... - 9/27/2006 9:19:18 AM

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I don't think Master/slave quite cuts it though - to me, it's more descriptive of the level of submission, i.e., bottom is episodic, slave implies a more intensive level of full time commitment to the D/s dynamic.

I think these are good catagories: i.e., physical, mental and spiritual, the word/symbols perhaps need to be tweaked a bit more though.

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