Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination

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NorthernGent -> Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 1:48:36 PM)
I'm aware there has already been a thread on this so apologies for by-passing board etiquette and to those with personal reasons for wanting to put 9/11 in the past. This post is not really to ask why the film was commissioned (the Director's right-wing Christian affiliations and the fact that only right-wing conservatives were allowed to pre-view the film tell the story). I put this up for 2 reasons: a) Has it been determined who funded this film? b) What does it say about Western society in terms of indoctrination? In relation to a), ABC spent $40m on the film without advertisements and no known corporate sponsors. My understanding is that this is almost unheard of in the US (even the public broadcasting company has corporate sponsors). So, who funded ABC? In relation to b), in cahoots with Scholastic Inc, 100,000 study texts were provided to US teachers for class-room discussion. Given the blatant bias of the film/materials towards right-wing Conservatism could anyone stand up and say with a straight face that this is not indoctrination? As a society, will we ever realise we are living in fascist, thought-controlling societies? Regards

mnottertail -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 1:54:11 PM)
It's all over, It's all over................ Drink the Poison Kool-aide. Jimmy von Ghayana

NorthernGent -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 1:59:56 PM)
lol Ron, any chance of repeating that in English?

Archer -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 2:04:03 PM)
While I don't see all the fuss about it being relevent other than the Scholastic angle as being a relative point. It was billed as a docudrama and that's what it was from what I saw, (the second night was all I watched having family plans the first night that trumped any TV show.) The scholastic angle was caught and the guides pulled and not used anyplace I know of. And that was a good thing, as most teachers wouldn't be able to help the students seperate the dramatic liscense from the truth. It could though had the teachers been good served as a valuable lesson in taking a critical look at what a docmentary, and a docudrama are and how to wade your way through the BS to get to the truth in both kinds of shows. One of the big dramatic liscense itemthat made it drama rather than documentary wa the Bi Laden in the sights section, didn't happen that way but had some level of truth under the drama, Bin Laden was missed several times during Clinton's Presidency. The details were very different but the fact that Clinton had several chances that he turned down is a fact. I watched he second night with my 12 year old son and told him specificly that there were parts of this show that were made up and parts that were fact and some parts that were in between. And he even got some of the made up parts on his own, conversations between hijackers that were both dead obviously were not able to be very factual. Even a show you might consider bad can be used to teach some things to the young.

Kedicat -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 2:16:26 PM)
It was funded, produced, created, by a religious group. The group is world wide. Some sectors of it do very good work, others are quite politically reactionary and zealots. People have had good experiences with it. Some have had cult like experiences. Seems it is a loose group worldwide, but focused more right in some countries. The group is called Youth With a Mission.

Estring -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 4:06:37 PM)
Northern, where do you get that the director has right wing Christian affiliations. I have heard him interviewed and never heard him mention that. And where did anyone get that the movie was funded and produced by a religous group? Or cult as it is insinuated. And even if it was, it didn't cut the Bush administartion any slack for their mistakes either. Kind if sounds even handed to me. Maybe that is the real problem? We all know which side was the only one complaining.

mnottertail -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/21/2006 5:02:29 PM)
Jim Jones, Guyana-- Seems to be about the same-same as this movie/learning experience. The hypothetical and quasi-realistic pablum used for indoctrination and brain-washing of weak-minded people........... But it COULD BE so real. Ja, you could stab yourself in the tonsils with your fork and bleed to death, I don't know how many times that rather plausible and remote possibility has changed the course of human events. If you aren't awash in my dripping scarcasm and utter contempt for this putrid and reprehensible act of 'someone' to influence opinion, and just like the WMD, pass off fantasy and personal agendas for forthrightness and truth--- Well, I just don't know what the fuck to say. These dogs should be slaughtered. Ron

meatcleaver -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/22/2006 12:16:19 AM)
If you sat people down and made them watch it without anyone challenging it I would then call it indoctrination. The fact is that in a democracy people can and should be able to say what they want. It is unfortunate that there are people who will believe whatever they are told but that is not indoctrination, its just people lacking respect for their own intelligence.

Kedicat -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/22/2006 12:24:25 AM)
Estring.Again, do a shred of research into your own posts.Here is a bit of an article on the creation of the 911 movie. Before The Path to 9/11 entered the production stage, Disney/ABC signed David Cunningham as the film's director. Cunningham is no ordinary Hollywood journeyman. He is in fact the son of Loren Cunningham, founder of the right-wing evangelical group Youth With A Mission (YWAM). According to Sara Diamond's book Spiritual Warfare, during the 1980's YWAM "sought to gain influence within the Republican party" while assisting authoritarian governments in South Africa and Central America. Cunningham, Diamond noted, was a follower of Christian Reconstructionism, an extreme current of evangelical theology that advocates using stealth political methods to put the United States under the control of Biblical law and jettison the Constitution. Cunningham instilled his radical ideology in young missionaries by sending them to "Discipleship Training School." A former student of Cunningham's school claimed "similarities between cult mind controlling techniques and the [Discipleship Training School] program instituted by YWAM." When the young Cunningham entered his father's ministry, he helped found an auxiliary group called The Film Institute (TFI). According to its mission statement, TFI is "dedicated to a Godly transformation and revolution TO and THROUGH the Film and Television industry." Cunningham has placed over a dozen interns from Youth With A Mission's Discipleship Training School in film industry jobs "so that they can begin to impact and transform Hollywood from the inside out," according to a YWAM report. Last June, Cunningham's TFI announced it was producing its first film, mysteriously titled Untitled History Project. "TFI's first project is a doozy," a newsletter to YWAM members read. "Simply being referred to as: The Untitled History Project, it is already being called the television event of the decade and not one second has been put to film yet. Talk about great expectations!" (A web edition of the newsletter was mysteriously deleted last week after its publication by the blogger Digby, but has been cached on Google at the link above). The following month, on July 28, the New York Post reported that ABC was filming a mini-series "under a shroud of secrecy" about the 9/11 attacks. "At the moment, ABC officials are calling the miniseries 'Untitled Commission Report' and producers refer to it as the 'Untitled History Project,'" the Post noted. Here's the link to the article.http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20060911/cm_thenation/20060925path_to911

Estring -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/22/2006 12:42:47 AM)
Lol. Good one Kedicat. So your conclusion is that there is some evil ulterior motive for making this movie? Give me a break. Why is it that Michael Moore who is as whacky on the Left as you seem to think these guys are whacky on the Right can make a movie which is purely propoganda and clearly has an agenda, and you don't have a problem with it? You can always find something written by someone that will justify any whacked out theory you may have. I prefer to use my common sense. It tells me that this producer wanted to make a movie about how we came to 9/11. He made it. It aired and not a hell of a lot changed. If you want to believe that there was some evil plot afoot, be my guest. But don't expect me to believe it just because you read it somewhere.

Kedicat -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/22/2006 12:48:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring Lol. Good one Kedicat. So your conclusion is that there is some evil ulterior motive for making this movie? Give me a break. Why is it that Michael Moore who is as whacky on the Left as you seem to think these guys are whacky on the Right can make a movie which is purely propoganda and clearly has an agenda, and you don't have a problem with it? You can always find something written by someone that will justify any whacked out theory you may have. I prefer to use my common sense. It tells me that this producer wanted to make a movie about how we came to 9/11. He made it. It aired and not a hell of a lot changed. If you want to believe that there was some evil plot afoot, be my guest. But don't expect me to believe it just because you read it somewhere. I wince at many parts of Moores movies/documentaries. He gets too maudlin sometimes. Says some things without a good backup in fact. I don't 100% agree with all he puts forth. But I think he is very straight forward as to his motives, ideals. You know who made his movie, and why. And if you can read that article that is full of dead straight facts and think the 911 flick wasn't calculated propoganda with hidden roots, then I don't know how you absorb information.

NorthernGent -> RE: Path to 9/11 - Funding for Indoctrination (9/22/2006 10:31:32 AM)
Kedicat, Good work with the links and quotes. Much appreciated. Regards

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