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Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 3:57:42 PM   
MistressTexas


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Status: offline 		I've offcially gotten fed up with the amount of coverage a police officer or mountie gets if they die in the line of duty. I understand they died trying to protect innocent people and such, but could someone please explain to me how their death is so much more tragic and deserving of newspaper/tv coverage, than... say a career paramedic, whos saved hundreds of people, litteraly brought some back from the dead. Or an ER nurse, who gets stabbed with an infected needle (possibly because the police didnt search the person properly), and dies years later of AIDS, simply for trying to help. The firefighter who dies going in on a hot save. I don't think a cops death is to be ignored. I don;t even think a cops death is undeserving of the recognition it gets. I just wonder why they get SO much more recognition than any other emergency worker. A rookie cop, with 2 months on the force, gets a TV special and a 21 gun salute. A paramedic with 40 years under his belt gets..... a lot of head shaking and some tears. I just wonder why.

*sits back and waits to be flamed* *sigh*
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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 4:10:32 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Keep us sheep in the sheep pen.

I don't like it either. I know people that have died that are much more deserving.

Especially not the donut munching types I see at constructions sites making double time doing next to nothing.

Never mind walking the beat where the coverage is really needed.

They aren't royalty. They are supposed to serve the public...not feed on them.

My 2 cents.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 4:55:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

I've offcially gotten fed up with the amount of coverage a police officer or mountie gets if they die in the line of duty...

... I don't think a cops death is to be ignored. I don;t even think a cops death is undeserving of the recognition it gets.


Please get off the fence... which of your posted contradictions is it? You do realize that cops are police officers, yes?

There's a preacher with loyal flock out west who shows up at soldier's funerals carrying hate signs, he probably hates cops too.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 5:31:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps it has to do with who is planning the funeral?

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 6:30:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps I should have said that I don't believe that a cops death deserves No recognition, I just wonder why thy get so much more than other deserving emergency service workers. Perhaps try answering the question instead of poking at semantics.

LadyJulieAnn: I would very much love it if you could elaborate on that, as I do agree for certain reasons. Just wondering which reasons you have.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 7:28:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		A rookie cop that dies gets recognition due to the fact that they have accepted a huge challenge, one in which they offer up their life; high-speed chases, gangbangers, thieves, etc. Whether or not they ever face such, they have stepped up and said they're willing to, and that takes courage and dedication.
 
I agree that firefighters should be placed on the same level. Paramedics and nurses are heroes as well, but they don't face the same dangers, certainly not on such a regular basis as police or firefighters.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 7:34:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a police dispatcher and 911 operator, i wonder if you realize that each and every call an officer responds to can potentially cause His death.  When they go into homes, alleys or backyards they could face their maker each time. We live in a topsy turcy world full of drigs and violence. These men and woman put their lives on the line each and every day. Maybe they do eat a few donuts.....don't you think they deserve them. Wait til you hear an officer explain to a child why daddy was taken away and why mommy is beaten and bruised.....listen to a child tell him "uncle Jim" touched Him...walk a mile in their shoes before you pass judgement. These men are our every day heros. 

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 7:38:49 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Status: offline 		Don't kid yourself.

There are some bad apples too.

My neighbors a cop...one of the good ones.

He just views it as another job to do.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 8:34:45 PM   
MistressTexas


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Status: offline 		Erotic angel, as a 911 dispatcher, you should know that Paramedics and firefighters face that possible death as well. Who is to say that the junkie that will staba  cop won't stab a paramedic? Doesn't every firefighter that goes into a burning building also run the risk of never going home??

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 8:36:14 PM   
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ing in other  professions.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 8:54:01 PM   
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Maybe we should have televised funerals for fishermen, loggers, pilots, and steel workers... it seems they're the ones taking on the risk.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 8:59:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

Perhaps I should have said that I don't believe that a cops death deserves No recognition, I just wonder why thy get so much more than other deserving emergency service workers. Perhaps try answering the question instead of poking at semantics.




Actually that was stated in your OP.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 9:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought it was, but apparently ND needed clarification.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 9:11:55 PM   
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Perhaps it has to do with who is planning the funeral?


I was thinking that it might have something to do with those who are close to the person who has died.  Are most police officer funerals standard procedures within their departments or are the support systems within the departments so strong that it is a huge deal when one dies, and therefore the funerals are very elaborate?

I was also wondering why people equate elaborate funerals with the importance of one's death or one being more "deserving".  I think that a private funeral with friends and family can be just as powerful. 

Be well,
Julie

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 10:41:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am wondering why that would bug you so much? Police and fire fighters have much riskier jobs than paramedics or nurses. As an example, how many policemen and firefighters died on 9/11 compared to nurses or paramedics?

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 11:21:27 PM   
MistressTexas


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Status: offline 		I'm actually just saying in general, and the deaths of firefighters aren't covered half as extensively as police officers.

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/11/2006 11:44:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

I thought it was, but apparently ND needed clarification.

Your OP directly contradicted itself, period.

In one breath you stated you were "officially" fed up with the coverage (ie. recognition) given a police officer killed in the line of duty, and in the next breath you stated you didn't think a cop's death is undeserving of the recognition it receives.

Then you finished up your sincere OP by inviting flames, and adding a cute facetious *sigh*.

Your OP was belittling towards police officers.... as signified by your *sigh*, so get over yourself first.  You seem to be hung up on a train of thought that police officers are emergency workers too, and not armed law enforcement officers carrying firearms.

Comparing emergency workers to armed law enforcement officers is not a fair comparison at all. Any call or traffic stop can put a police officer in harms way from armed criminals, or criminals that attack a police officer and then use the officer's own weapon to kill them with. How many emergency workers face this peril?

Most emergency personnel do not operate solo, but rather in pairs or in full teams as with firemen. A good majority of police officers are out there alone, sent to protect your interests... not to put out a fire in your house or car, or to get you out of a car accident and transport you to a medical facility. Not sure you've noticed but police officers are quite often the first to arrive, and a big part of their job is to secure the scene, frequently "before" emergency personnel arrive on scene.

Your unfair comparison and your "officially" fed up stance do not do justice to fallen police officers as you wrote it. It was a whine, and actually soliciting flames to your whine... go figure you'd be unhappy with someone pointing out your contradiction.

Your unfair comparison and "officially" fed up status, and flame solicitation reflect the true ill nature of your OP.

No need to mention time honored tradition among police organizations, or the fact most police officers are graduates of a police academy and are trained in protecting your rights as a free citizen. Your attempt to belittle those that protect your "officially" fed up status... to smugly *sigh*... AND to invite flames all reflect very little, if any appreciation on your part for the sacrifices made on your behalf by police officers killed in the line of duty.

Do emergency workers protect you from feloneous criminals?
Do they take on bank robbers with machine guns trying to steal your money?
Do they arrest and apprehend your domestic partner who is armed, drunk and beating your ass up? 
Do they take complaint statements from you and press charges against those that violate you?
Do they hunt down armed escaped prison or jail convicts?

Another big thing in your OP that revealed your contempt for police officers is your statement:
quote:


Or an ER nurse, who gets stabbed with an infected needle (possibly because the police didnt search the person properly), and dies years later of AIDS, simply for trying to help.

It was far too obvious that your contemptuous OP was was not merely a simple question of why? It was very very pointed and biased, as well as contemptuous... go read it again please! 

Has a cop broken your heart, or what is the problem here? 
Are you, or your boyfriend a jealous EMT or fireman?
Really.... what's the deal here? 

Do you have any more "sincere" questions?   

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/12/2006 1:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		People in occupations which rely on each other for their safety usually have a demonstative way of honoring one who has fallen.  The military has their ceremony with extensive flag details with 21 gun salute.  The bugle playing final homage is something to stir the soul.  Police departments are little different from the military.  Different departments will send their color unit, to surrounding departments, to help honor the fallen.  These units will usually arrive in fully marked police cars.  There may well be several hundreds of such marked cars at any given funeral.  The procession, from the funeral home to the cemetary, is therefore a long line of marked police cars traveling in formation with all lights flashing.

It is quite a sight to see.  It is because of this visual impact that the media chooses to cover police funerals more so than any others.  Not that anyone believes them to be more important than another.  It is done solely to sell to the public.  News media, whether television or paper, can not exist without an audience.  The more audience, the more the exposure, equals to more money.  Flash garners attention.  A flashy funeral procession containing hundreds of cars complete with flashing lights equals lots of attention.  Money is made by the media and they are the ones who determine what you get to see.

That is the answer to your question, sincere or not.  Ask any good cop if he believes he is more important than anyone else, you will most likely get an answer that you did not expect.  Ask your local new crews if it is fair to make money off anothers suffering or disaster and see what you get.

As regards to your tone in the OP, I can only say that once again NastyDaddy has beaten me to it.  Thank you NastyDaddy, very well stated!

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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/12/2006 3:04:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dislike cops. I don't view them as heroes either. Sure, I have met a few nice cops, the vast majority have been assholes. The thing that always annoys me most is that most cops will bust people for doing things that they themselves also do on their off hours. Talk to a prostitute/money domme and you will discover that some of her clients work for the government and that a good number of them are cops. That's hypocrisy of a very high order (also it's very much politics as usual).

Firemen I like. There is almost never a case when a Fireman isn't basically helping the community out for real.


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RE: Police Funerals. - 9/12/2006 6:05:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		As the daughter of a policeman of 36 years, who worked a very controversial dept, you know the one, in So. Cal.  I met some of the crookedest ones there, but also some very dedicated policemen.  Even though I no longer speak with my father, his job was not an easy one and I admired him for going to work day in and day out, with what was going on.  Their job is made so much harder by the public.  But like any profession, you will get the supporters and the haters, but I think for this job, they have more of their fair share. There are policemen who never in their career draw their weapons, or have high speed pursuits, or have to face an armed suspect, who wants nothing more then to be shot by a cop and will endanger all around him to see he does.  That policemen, will put his life infront of any around.  I don't think Firemen get the criticism as policemen do, or Nurses or Emts,  but I personally think they deserve more credit and recognition for what they do.

I went to many police funerals and being there you feel how highly charged it all is.  Mostly the family does NOT want this huge hoopla, they want to grieve.  All of the fanfare and yes a lot of it is, is from the higher ranks.  Why do they do it?  That is an age old question, who say's ones life is more important then another?  I do not know that answer MistressTexas, but there is nothing we as a society can do about it.  When I see an over the top funeral on tv, I just turn the channel.

Personally as one in the "family" so to speak, yes I do give them respect.  Earned or not.  Same as I do with all others, who walk out their front doors and do their job, whether it be a Teacher, Cashier, Fireman or A Housekeeper. 



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