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Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 2:20:56 AM

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So...now Ted Koppel's debut on the Discovery channel is over. Do you think he raised the right questions and uncovered anything that wasn't already out there? I personally thought the main part of the show was fairly informative and he raised awareness on some sensitive subjects, but the "Town Meeting" forum afterwards tended to just be political rhetoric and cover thy ass statements. Anyone get anything different out of this? The base question out of the entire show seemed to be; Are we giving up too many personal liberties just to be secure? Thoughts?

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 6:23:23 AM

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Once in a very long while I kinda wish I had a television, this sounds like a program I may have enjoyed.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 7:04:20 AM

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It was interesting on a couple of levels but you are right, the town hall meeting wasn't that productive and oddly enough some of the most eloquent speakers were the family members of 9/11 victims. The other one who came off well was Tom Ridge, no wonder they ran him out, he is clearly a Republican but a thoughtful one.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 3:53:26 PM

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It was interesting on a couple of levels but you are right, the town hall meeting wasn't that productive and oddly enough some of the most eloquent speakers were the family members of 9/11 victims. The other one who came off well was Tom Ridge, no wonder they ran him out, he is clearly a Republican but a thoughtful one.

Well..at least I wasn't the only one who watched it..I was beginning to wonder..lol. I tolerated the town hall part for a little over an hour, but it was driving me crazy that the political section seems insistant on not answering the topic at hand, it seemed more like thay had prepared statements and were not going to waver from that. But you are so correct, the family members and the journalists seemed more in tune, than the Gov't folks. My only personal concern out of all of it was the reference to "Data Mining"...I don't have anything to hide, but it still reeks of KGB style intelligence gathering, or so it sounded. Maybe I'm just paranoid..who knows..lol.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 4:01:19 PM

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I didn't see it....but hell yes....we are giving up too much liberty.

Wiretaps, spying on Americans, violations of the 4th Amedment and others, cameras going up on every corner.

Enough is enough.

If these politicians can't abide by the Constitution be it democrat or republican...throw the bums out.

After all...its what veterans fought and died for to protect. Not private contracts to feather politicians nests.

"those who sacrifice liberty for security...deserve neither"

Benjamin Franklin

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 4:19:21 PM

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I didn't see it....but hell yes....we are giving up too much liberty.

Wiretaps, spying on Americans, violations of the 4th amedmentand others, cameras going up on every corner.

Enough is enough.

If these politicians can't abide by the constitution be it democrat or republican...throw the bumbs out.

After all...its what veterans fought and died for to protect.

"those who sacrifice liberty for security...deserve neither"

Benjamin Franklin

One of the things I'm always amazed at (no offense meant to the poster above quoted) is, people always quote someone from a previous time, with some unnatural assumption that because they were quoted in reference, because they are some known historical figure, and because this person carried some weight at some point in history, that things they may have said (and often they didn't even say it) are somehow gospel...that the very fact that they said it, bestows some inherent truth on it...that by virtue of their having expelled breath on this connotation, gives it some fortitude.

Keep in mind, they lived in a vastly different time, and while I am by no means desirous of losing any of my liberties, I most absolutely have even less desire to see your wife, your husband or children (I have none) turned into a hamburger patty on a sidewalk cafe street corner solely because a) some religious fanatic decided that they wanted to show us Americans how things should be, and in the process, provide them with 72 virgins by doing so, and b) I'm really not all that terribly concerned whether or not someone taps my (or your) phone calls if in the process they stop some vile creature from making every attempt at giving you or I another date wherein which we can all have a moment of silence wondering "why our government didn't do enough" this time.

I'm constantly amazed at how many armchair quarterbacks there are to extoll why someone didn't do something...but if they don't...there are as many excaliming why they do too much.

It reminds of that Robert Redford movie where at the end, the head of the CIA is telling Redford...(I'm sure I'll quote it wrong) "You'll care when you can't heat your home, when your children are cold, when the trains don't run, when they can't deliver milk, when it costs hundreds, not tens of dollars to fill your car...then you'll care, and you'll be damn glad we did what we had to do..."

I don't know when enough is enough, I don't even know if what they're doing right now is too much. I didn't sign on for the job, I only agreed to the hiring process, and frankly, I'm damn glad I'm not the one having to make those decisions.

In the meantime, I'm equally glad that none of us have had to live with the horrors of what so many people live with on a daily basis around the globe.

They're probably not doing things the way I'd do things, they're most assuradly not doing things according to what many of you wish they'd do...but as far as I'm concerned, it seems to be working.

Selfish as that may sound, it allows me to do what all of us selfishly want to do;

Live our lives.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 4:24:15 PM

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The founding fathers roll in their graves.......................

I'm sure they would be absolutely DISGUSTED at what has happened to our Constitutional Republic since it has been hijacked by lying, brutal, sadistic THUGS out for themselves....hiding behind public personas called democrats and republicans.

But then again...they are only puppets for the real evil behind the scenes.

I'm MUCH more concerned with what THEY are doing to the planet...and my Constitutional rights...than some guy in a Turban hiding in a cave.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 4:36:42 PM

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LTRsubNW, if you want more secutity go to prison, if you want more liberty, throw george bush out of office, i teach my children that freedom is the most important thing in life , for without it nothing else matters, not wealth not health nor anything else.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 4:36:51 PM

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I'm constantly amazed at how many armchair quarterbacks there are to extoll why someone didn't do something...but if they don't...there are as many excaliming why they do too much.

This was one of the points touched on during the show. It is a tough line to follow to preserve feedoms, yet do what needs done to reduce the problem. I also don't have the answer, nor do I really feel that anything will ever totally eliminate the threat. It's similar to locking your house..if someone really wants to burglarize your residence, they will. I'm certainly glad I am not the one who has to decide what actions need taken, but it would be nice to see someone in the position of making those decisions, just come right out and say what they are thinking, rather than evading the issue when asked. Some of the interviews on the show were almost laughable, the way they tippytoed around giving a direct answer.
Question; "So...do you feel that this would be considered torture"?
Answer; "I can assure you that we don't do those practices now"
Not sure there was an answer there.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 4:37:16 PM

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B y the way....

I ain't an "armchair quarterback".

I served in the Military for 4 years.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 7:05:27 PM

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quote:

One of the things I'm always amazed at (no offense meant to the poster above quoted) is, people always quote someone from a previous time, with some unnatural assumption that because they were quoted in reference, because they are some known historical figure, and because this person carried some weight at some point in history, that things they may have said (and often they didn't even say it) are somehow gospel...that the very fact that they said it, bestows some inherent truth on it...that by virtue of their having expelled breath on this connotation, gives it some fortitude.

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It reminds of that Robert Redford movie where at the end, the head of the CIA is telling Redford...(I'm sure I'll quote it wrong) "You'll care when you can't heat your home, when your children are cold, when the trains don't run, when they can't deliver milk, when it costs hundreds, not tens of dollars to fill your car...then you'll care, and you'll be damn glad we did what we had to do..."

So let me see if I have this right, quoting a man who is one of perhaps 10 or twenty people most responsible for not only the success of our revolution, but who helped shape the documents that created this great nation and are envied and copied around the word is silly and pointless. However, quoting an actor in a B movie IS relevent.

Thanks for your input, we value it accordingly...

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 7:18:01 PM

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....a pantyslave and a crappy dom are berating me.

(Something tells me my self confidence will survive all this)

And, gentlemen, those men who were responsible for the success of our revolution, didn't wait for permission to defend, even as the news of the day was solidly in favor of finding a way to make peace with England.

Our leaders were smart enough even then to realize that idle acceptance of the effect of a pot of boiling water, only insured that our complacency would be met with more demands, even fewer freedoms, and even hotter water in the pot.

I simply suggested that those that wonder why we don't pull back and try to reason with these folks will be more than surprised by history which will eventually show that these folks don't want to reason, they simply want to kill Americans. If those that protect all of us want to listen in to my phone calls to stop them (among many other things I'm sure), I'm just fine with that particular loss of freedom.

And when they attack again, which they most surely will, I suspect there will be far fewer people at that time, concerned about whether or not they're listening to yours.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 7:35:16 PM

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And when they attack again, which they most surely will, I suspect there will be far fewer people at that time, concerned about whether or not they're listening to yours.

The politicians will LOVE that.

They will have everyone back in mindless groupthink again....

Just like they did after Sept. 11th.

Exept for some of us.

Perfect pretext to start ANOTHER war.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 7:41:28 PM

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And when they attack again, which they most surely will, I suspect there will be far fewer people at that time, concerned about whether or not they're listening to yours.

The politicians will LOVE that.

They will have everyone back in mindless groupthink again....

Just like they did after Sept. 11th.

Exept for some of us.

Perfect pretext to start ANOTHER war.

Like I suggested rather clearly in my original post; I don't have a clue what the right answer is.

If you have a better one than the current folks in charge, and it'll make these bad guys go away while preserving everything everyone has all grown used to...hey man...I'll vote for you.

Right now all I'm hearing is that the guys in charge are morons.

I won't even debate that argument, because I happen to largely agree.

How about a solution instead?

Take the floor man.

Show everyone the way out of this. I'll even send a copy to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue for you.

(I'm sure they'd love to hear this flawless, well thought out, superior plan)

(I know I'm all ears)

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 7:52:58 PM

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I don't have all the solutions...but I most certainly have my share.

First and foremost...I don't think " evil a-rab turrrrrrists" are the problem.

Our corrupt government IS the problem.

They don't abide by the Constitution...they are CROOKS, LIARS. Period.

The only way to start fixing things is to get RID of them.

As far as I am concerned. Based on all the evidence ive compiled through my own
research over the past 5 years....the US government had a hand in the 9-11 disaster.

They must be held accountable.

They LIED about WMDs in Iraq.

They must be held accountable.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 11:00:42 PM

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And, gentlemen, those men who were responsible for the success of our revolution, didn't wait for permission to defend, even as the news of the day was solidly in favor of finding a way to make peace with England.

So not only do you enjoy quoting the past but to make it easier you just make things up.

What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

There were many peace overtures to England from many sources, Mad George would have none of it.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 11:09:58 PM

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I am still wondering what rights have we lost because of this administration? Nobody ever seems to be able to answer that question, even as they scream about their lost rights. What rights have you lost? Anyone?

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 11:10:05 PM

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I didn't see it, because I haven't turned on my TV (in my room where I have any peace) in about 1.5 weeks, but would have loved to because Ted Koppel is my favorite news anchor of them all. I always respected him for his professionalism and inpartiality to whatever he was covering. I miss him on Nightline. M

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/11/2006 11:15:11 PM

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Estring,

They have responded to you but I will take pity and do it again.

I have lost the first, second, forth, fifth, sixth,eight, nine, and ten.

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RE: Koppel on discovery, "The price of security" - 9/12/2006 2:55:08 AM

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quote:

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And, gentlemen, those men who were responsible for the success of our revolution, didn't wait for permission to defend, even as the news of the day was solidly in favor of finding a way to make peace with England.

So not only do you enjoy quoting the past but to make it easier you just make things up.

What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

There were many peace overtures to England from many sources, Mad George would have none of it.

(Funny, I believe that's exactly what I said)

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