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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/8/2006 10:28:21 PM

raiken

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This is what i wonder, about the material his new young slave is made from, her fabric and weave. How much hammering she can take. How can he possibly know how far to go, when he has hardly had time to know her, she has only been there for about 2 months. She had one trainer who she said was Gorean, and that lasted for about 4 months, then she came to her current master. i don't know what happened to cause her to be released. i do know what i observed and experienced and as i said it is that visual of it in action that sticks with me. It has this reverb affect. It reminded me of those old army movies where the sargeant gets right in the soldiers face and yells and the soldier just has to stand there and take it all. i guess time will tell as to her strengths. He is not a cruel person, but he is by nature highly sadistic. i have played with him in times past. She is not a hard core masochist, and has only had that one other experience to draw upon thus far. i personally feel that she is in for a rough ride. This is only her second master. At the end of the evening, she and i got to talk for only a few minutes. She said her master sent her around to everyone, and her assignment was that she had to apologize for being a cry baby. She started to get teary eyed again, and all i could do was give her a hug and tell her to be strong, and do her best to learn of his ways, and become the best she can be. The thing that hit my heart, was when she looked me in the eye, and asked me if this was what being a real slave was all about...*sigh...i had no words at the moment, but what came out was, that sometimes, being a slave is a difficult path, full of growing pains, with the full impact of fulfillment to come. She said she was scared, and i told her that it is okay to be afraid. i also told her to remember that if she feels abused, that she needn't be afraid to say it. i like him as a friend, but he has never been a master to me, except to play. i hope that by my saying that to her it doesn't cause her problems, i just felt it in me to say, because of her lack of experience.

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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/8/2006 10:43:10 PM

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Raiken, you said all you knew how under the circumstances. I do not know what I would say either. I would feel as though I had been included within this dominants kink nonconsensually. You did not go to the party to be haunted by the treatment you saw another given. It seems as though you were not the only one that was troubled by this dynamic as you mentioned the other dom that made the army comment. I wonder if this dominant is aware of how uncomfortable his treatment of his property made his guests... It was not only the slave in question that was affected emotionally by this experience. I know I would be haunted by it too, and wondering what else I could have done for her.

Perhaps there is a way you can talk with her, and at least let her know that if it is ever permissible to talk to you that you would welcome her friendship and maybe she could at least have a friend that she could turn to if it indeed becomes more than she can bear?

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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/8/2006 10:52:59 PM

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You brought up a good point, as that is kind of how i felt, like i was used as a prop for his mission. Yes, i will be there because now that i know of the situation, i will feel to check in on her progress. i have to be careful though, for i do not wish to interfere or make waves, that is not my intention. i just want her to know that she has my support. i have to be careful because sometimes simply offering advice, no matter how sound or helpful, can back fire in my face...been there done that, once...aint goin there again.

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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/8/2006 11:01:03 PM

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I very well understand what you mean, not wanting to cause waves. I brought up the nonconsensual kink thing because for one my Daddy is very firm about not allowing others to involve him in their kink without his consent... and I can understand that you might have felt this way... below I will paint another scenario that played out differently

My friend's former dominant went to another dominants house for a poker game, all that were there were lifestyle dominants. The man hosting the poker game had his new submissive waiting on all of them. Halfway through the night he orders his submissive to orally service the dominants in the room. She looks like a deer in the headlights at this point, terrified and unsure of what to do... it was obvious that she was not expecting this, and that seemed to spur something sadistic in her dom. My friend's dom and the rest of the doms in attendence got squicked out and left without allowing her to service them as they felt they were being nonconsensually involved in this guy's kink. They did not feel that he had this negotiated with her beforehand and that they were not going to go there. He was frozen out of their social group.

I see very little difference in what you described and the situation I outlined above.

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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/9/2006 7:25:29 AM

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ORIGINAL:They did not feel that he had this negotiated with her beforehand and that they were not going to go there. He was frozen out of their social group.

I see very little difference in what you described and the situation I outlined above.

I agree. I'd be ok if she had to stand against the wall with a sign around her neck because a public party IS a place of exhibitionism, but actively going to people and interrupting their good time with YOUR dirty laundry is ridiculous.

As far as the poker thing, I've actually done that. The difference being that it was a combo casino night AND play party AND I asked everyone BEFORE actually doing anything if they were ok with it.

It only takes a few seconds of courtesy to turn a situation around, I wish more people took them.

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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/9/2006 9:46:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: raiken
My questions are: What is your perspective on this?

A Master can set up the household as they see fit. As long as the structure is understand by all, and it's not abusive, Have at it![/code]

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Does a military approach work for you?

I SO wish it did. I have a thing for the military. But, I have learned over the years that I'm more of a casual person. I will bark orders if necessary, but I know that if I've gotten to the point where I feel I have to, I'm nearing the "don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry" stage.

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Are you more fulfilled in this type of ridgid structure and setting?

This particular structure? No. But I certainly have stucture. Hello! Manual! LMAO

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RE: Militeristic Lifestyle - 9/9/2006 2:42:34 PM

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raiken, couldn't get this topic out of my head overnight... had to come back to toss up some tidbits for pondering. possibilities..

If that was going to be the normal way of the household, she knew the deal going in.
If it wasn't typical, she might just not have enough experience at new House to know it wasn't
Maybe she was getting a bit harsher treatment because of unseen infractions?
His comment about building backbone, maybe she's been crying a lot to get her way?
her stress level maybe up because of the visitors she didn't have comfort level with? perceived humiliation takes everything up a notch.
i'd wonder why she had to ask you, a stranger, if "this is what being a real slave is all about" rather than her slave sisters?

Not to say blame the slave if the process is all wrong for her, but i see it as saying more about the girl and her match for this system, than about the rightness or wrongness of the system itself. If it is just a bad match for her, it's much better SHe realise that than ther Master does and releases her. Seeing yourself and other slaves being handled in a different way just might have made that clear to her, that there are other options out there. i hope if that turns out to be the case, maybe she'll reach out to you a bit and sort herself to make a decision.

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