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Chaingang -> Situation: FUBAR (8/30/2006 8:49:28 AM)
"Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate" http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468 Nowhere is Al Gore's environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his "big oil" opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book "Earth in the Balance," the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals. ---- Framing the "left - right" political issue as if the left was represented by the likes of Bill Clinton or Al Gore is truly a joke. I just hope everyone understands that simple fact. All these politicos are up to their eyeballs in corporate financial entanglements that make them the equivalent of a modern American aristocracy. I have said it perhaps a dozen times or more - but in the U.S. there is no true left party. All we have is the center and the extreme right. Think about it. This is why there is almost no progress and why the nation is quite possibly doomed. The system of checks and balances has failed. Just as an example, think about the decision to go to war with Iraq. The Bushite zombies cried for war and the supposed "left" then voted for the war but also made many announcements about how much they didn't like the war and were going to keep a close eye on the situation and call it off if things got dicey. But they did vote in favor of it, yes? The Democratic party is the biggest fucking yawn. The de facto choice is between Neocon and Neocon-Lite. Is it really so hard to understand when people just vote for the Neocons then? At least the Neocons have conviction instead of the wishy-washy middle position. My fear is that if the "left" is center than we are so far to the right that no correction is even remotely possible. The situation is fubar.

LotusSong -> RE: Situation: FUBAR (8/30/2006 9:06:25 AM)
This is what makes us ripe for a dictatorship.

pahunkboy -> RE: Situation: FUBAR (8/30/2006 9:13:04 AM)
I cant think of ANYONE that suits to whitehouse. maybe we can outsource it. i liked Gore in 2000, but he is now sounding like an unwelcomed dinner guest. maybe im jaded. show me the money man. SHOW ME THE TALENT. !! sighs

WyrdRich -> RE: Situation: FUBAR (8/30/2006 9:20:40 AM)
The actual "powers that be" must be laughing their asses off. Chain, do you think the right is any more right than you think the left is left? Yet here we are, squabbling over the petty needs of competing special interest groups.

Estring -> RE: Situation: FUBAR (8/30/2006 10:50:49 AM)
The problem with The Left is not that they are in the center, the problem is they have swung so far to the left that even many Democrats can't relate to them anymore. If you look at the positions that John F. Kennedy held, he sounds more like a Republican than a Democrat these days. That is how far to the left the Democratic Party has shifted. Plus they have no ideas except to attack President Bush. And that is why they will lose again in 2008. I consider myself a moderate on most things. I certainly don't agree with everything this administration is doing (they spend like Democrats), but the left will never be strong on defense, and in these days that is a dangerous position. That is why, as a registered Democrat, I have to vote Republican.

NorthernGent -> RE: Situation: FUBAR (8/30/2006 11:20:36 AM)
This is one of the areas that marks out the left from the right - the right are paranoid that everyone is out to get them - "we need to spend on defence", "we need to be tough on law an order", "we need to be tough on slogans", "we need to be tough on the causes of slogans", "We need everyone's details - ID cards!" "close the border, the illegal aliens are coming!". Even now, I'm scratching my head while typing the term "illegal aliens" - it's mind-boggling how such a term can be introduced into a society and society readily accept it. If aliens ever do make it to this planet only to be faced with some of this talk they'll think they've landed bang in the middle of a mad house. It's just knee-jerk, reactionary politics - the easy, lazy arm of politics. I'm interested to hear how anyone can know that the Democrat Party have moved so far to the left if "they have no ideas". No ideas = no politics = not able to draw a conclusion on where they stand in the political spectrum. I would be absolutely amazed if one of the two US parties is anywhere near the left but I'm open to ideas so feel free to explain these left-wing policies that the current Democrat Party are advocating. Chaingang, Very similar situation here. The people at the helm of our tradionally left-wing party have an iron grip on the party and have moved it further to the right than our traditionally right-wing party. Strange times. They're campaigning for the introduction of ID card schemes and the privatisation of education among other things. I suppose in the age of rampant comsumerism the majority of people have been blinded by style and advertising and have forgotten about substance so don't really care what a party stands for - the packaging has become far more important. Regards

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