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kimba1 -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 8:49:46 AM)

Just wanted to say -- how CUTE he is!! what a darling!! I'm just a fellow dog lover (all of mine have always been and always will be rescues .... ), don't really have much to add ...

Oh, but just wanted to say that with Vladdie, turning on music does help too, distracts him a bit. I have to laugh a little, because he reacts exactly the same way when i watch NFL football as when I am getting whipped (he just wants to hide and make all the noise stop, poor little guy). I guess I cant' help being loud (wondering what the neighbours think -- thinking maybe it's best not to think about it).

Anyway, Barry is a very lucky pup, and it sounds like you are lucky to have him too! Give him a treat from us!



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 9:14:40 AM)

Nope it's  not cruel to train the dog it's crueler and extreamly irresponcible to abandon  or get rid of an animal they took responcibility for because of its wanting to be protective. Animals aren't whims, you can't just toss one aside cause you don't like a behavior that isn't dangerous* like food agression could be dangerous* 

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
If it were I,  I wouldn't keep the dog.  It's way to stressful to an animal if they love you and try to protect you.. to ask or train them to do otherwise, is cruel.



Homestead -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 9:19:09 AM)

It's a hard choice. Your pleasure, or your animal. I can only suggest that you soundpooof your playroom, or play somewhere else.



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 9:20:20 AM)

gretchen my  now x bf had a shitzu and sammy would watch us have sex, and then sometimes would come sniff the spot where we'd been laying. he was quite the odd lil fucker anyway tho.
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ORIGINAL: gretchenS

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Good thing you ain't got cats, they wanna get their ass whipped too.

Ron



Mine they just kick back and enjoy the show...(those little fury pervs!)



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 9:21:41 AM)

Sure you do * grins evily*
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ORIGINAL: LokisBrat

 (don't want to give too much positive reward for that cold wet nose in weird spots!),



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 9:25:28 AM)

Some beagles are also being trained to sniff out termites in your walls and stuff. They're quite handy for sniffing out I guess.
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I was reading that they have the third strongest sense of smell of any breed of dog. One reason they are used at airports as "sniffer" dogs to seek out drugs, and possible bombs, etc.



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 9:29:24 AM)

hehehe for dogs and humans too:))
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I've read that the "Come" command is the most difficult to teach Beagles. I- Susan



Sub03 -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 11:04:26 AM)

My Master's dog has the same problem. He was abused when he was a puppy so anytime he sees me getting spanked or flogged he gets really uncomfortable and dosent know what to do. Luckily he dosent howl or anything, he usually just leaves the room. But he defiently dosent like it and as soon as the scene is over he comes in the room and makes sure everyone is alright. We usually just reassure him that im ok and Master is ok and that nothing is wrong.



MIslostsoul -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 11:46:31 AM)

I had a Shiba Named Bailey's Irish Creme ( I know) She loved my former Master to the point that when i was getting punished she would go to her cage and cry for me. When they first met she would snap at him until one day he snapped a towel at her to let her know who was boss after that she was very calm. I miss her and him.



OriginalWench -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 3:13:30 PM)

Miseri:  I hope there isnt' trouble too.  *grin*  We usually do cat rescue (at one point, we stayed with a friend who had over 100 in the house!), and have 12 cats, plus three dogs, a ferret and a turtle.  The dogs don't generally worry when we play,m because they are locked out.  The most bothersone cats are usually locked out too.  A few of them just glare at us impatiently, waiting for us to be done so they can curl up on our bed and sleep.  Other than my one cat getting smacked with the crop, we haven't had any problems with them yet.

FelinePersuasion:
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Animals aren't whims, you can't just toss one aside cause you don't like a behavior that isn't dangerous* like food agression could be dangerous*

That is so true, they aren't whims.  However, I wouldn't call food aggressions dangerous, unless it was very severe, or you had no clue how to deal with it.  A couple of our dogs are food aggressive for animals, and we are working on that.  They've improved a lot so far.

To completely sidetrack the topic, I must say, how THe Mate treats the animals and how much they love him was a fair part of why I trust him so much, and was willing to have him lock a collar on my neck (with a matching one on my wrist, yay)  I figure if he is willing to deal with their imperfections, and issues without tossing them aside, he's also going to be willing to work with me on my issues and imperfections.  Hmm, I wonder if that could make a new topic.  Anyway, it's nice to see people who care about their animals, instead of dropping them off at the pound because they became inconvenient. 



LotusSong -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 3:14:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

Nope it's  not cruel to train the dog it's crueler and extreamly irresponcible to abandon  or get rid of an animal they took responcibility for because of its wanting to be protective. Animals aren't whims, you can't just toss one aside cause you don't like a behavior that isn't dangerous* like food agression could be dangerous* 

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
If it were I,  I wouldn't keep the dog.  It's way to stressful to an animal if they love you and try to protect you.. to ask or train them to do otherwise, is cruel.



If it upset my child... and I either could not modify my reaction or  if  I place my BDSM play as precedence over the emotional well-being of the child..I think I'd have to give the child up to a better family.  (extreme example) 

No I do NOT advocate tossing an animal aside but this is just so against the dog's nature to  want to protect.. being put in a cage and having to made to listen to her cries of what he is interepreting as distress. 

I'm on the dog's side in this one.I have 3 rescued dogs and 4 rescued cats.  I value my pet's emotional well-being as I would another human's. 

I would not modify the animal's natural tendency.. I'd modify my own.



OriginalWench -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 4:11:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
If it upset my child... and I either could not modify my reaction or  if  I place my BDSM play as precedence over the emotional well-being of the child..I think I'd have to give the child up to a better family.  (extreme example) 

No I do NOT advocate tossing an animal aside but this is just so against the dog's nature to  want to protect.. being put in a cage and having to made to listen to her cries of what he is interepreting as distress. 

I'm on the dog's side in this one.I have 3 rescued dogs and 4 rescued cats.  I value my pet's emotional well-being as I would another human's. 

I would not modify the animal's natural tendency.. I'd modify my own.

Thank for having rescued animals.  The more people work for that, the better off the animls will be.  But I'm not going to get up on a soapbox here.  Heh.

In our house, everybody is valued equally.  People, animals, whatever.  Those that live here are equal, and have equal rights.  People from outside our home have less value to us than someone in our home, because they aren't part of our family dynamic.  This isn't to say that we can't or don't care about others, just that for us, our family is most important, and everybody/thing else falls in line behind them.

Not all dogs want to protect, and not all dogs are so distressed that it becomes an issue.  In our house, the husky would be likely to look on in approval if he were to witness The Mate disciplining me, as he consders The Mate the alpha of the house.  However, he also know that my place is above him, and I can dole out discipline as well.  He pretty much ignores the boys, to him, they are his equals in 'the pack', but he is protective to all in our house.  On the other hand, our two female dogs consider me the ultimate supreme boss of all.  It doesn't really become an issue, because they aren't in the room when we play, or any other times the cats are in the 'safe zone' of our room. 

I think it all comes down to teaching the dog that those noises are okay, and supposed to be happening more than anything.  That's why I provided training links and resources to the OP.  Many dogs are taught to do things that are 'natural' to them, and are not any the worse off for it.



Miseri -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 5:06:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm on the dog's side in this one.I have 3 rescued dogs and 4 rescued cats.  I value my pet's emotional well-being as I would another human's. 

I would not modify the animal's natural tendency.. I'd modify my own.


Obviously, I DO put my dog first. I stopped playing that day out of concern for him and posted here for suggestions. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Your opinions are directly contrary to my own.

I am honestly shocked that you can rescue so many animals and then turn around and suggest abandoning one. It doesn't make sense. I realise you probably don't mean anything by such a suggestion, but I'm sure you can realise how that makes me feel. I'm sure you are aware of the countless heartbreaking stories of owner giveups and abandonments on rescue pages. It's something I could never put a pet through.

I do think of Barry as a family member and treat him almost like he is my child. I called in work one day because my dog was really sick and I did not want him to be alone. That dog couldn't be more loved if I tried.

Simply put, I am trying to find the best solution to this for my dog's sake (ours as well). Barry is a lifelong member of the family and not going anywhere, but at the same time, this is my lifechoice and not a 'bedroom kink'. I am confident I can find a successful solution for our entire family.





Miseri -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 5:16:29 PM)

Kimba: Thanks! We think he's adorable, too! Music is a good idea. We'd turn on music if the neighbors were home anyway. We'll see how that works.

Feline Persuasion: Thanks for the support. Having a rescue dog has changed our lives. I always cared about animals but once you are aware of what these poor guys go through (from reading on the adoption pages), it breaks your heart. It's an issue I'm pretty sensitive about. That is why Lotus' response really ired me. I realise she may not have meant anything by the suggestion, but when you read about how and why some people abandon pets, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth against any suggestion of giving up a pet.

Homestead: I'll have to disagree that it needs to be a choice. I am confident a solution can be reached for all of us. It may be that it won't work out too well until we have a home of our own in a year and can soundproof things. For now, we'll try things with the welfare of Barry foremost and see what works.

Original Wench: Thank you again for your kind words and support. I think you more succintly expressed to Lotus how I feel. I feel that she does not understand our dog's nature and is making assumptions about Barry and how we care for him. As I said, I will have to just disagree and have done with it.



LotusSong -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 7:00:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Miseri

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm on the dog's side in this one.I have 3 rescued dogs and 4 rescued cats.  I value my pet's emotional well-being as I would another human's. 

I would not modify the animal's natural tendency.. I'd modify my own.




I am honestly shocked that you can rescue so many animals and then turn around and suggest abandoning one. It doesn't make sense. I realise you probably don't mean anything by such a suggestion, but I'm sure you can realise how that makes me feel. I'm sure you are aware of the countless heartbreaking stories of owner giveups and abandonments on rescue pages. It's something I could never put a pet through.



I did not suggest abandoning. (I always find it amusing as to what people will pick out of my posts and how they interpret it)  Either I would not have gotten a dog to begin with.. or  if it was in a stressful situation.. I'd find a better home for him.  That's all.  At times, I will state things bluntly so to shock people into thinking.
Seems you have a solution. Thank you VERY much. :)




Miseri -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/30/2006 7:26:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: Miseri

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm on the dog's side in this one.I have 3 rescued dogs and 4 rescued cats.  I value my pet's emotional well-being as I would another human's. 

I would not modify the animal's natural tendency.. I'd modify my own.




I am honestly shocked that you can rescue so many animals and then turn around and suggest abandoning one. It doesn't make sense. I realise you probably don't mean anything by such a suggestion, but I'm sure you can realise how that makes me feel. I'm sure you are aware of the countless heartbreaking stories of owner giveups and abandonments on rescue pages. It's something I could never put a pet through.



I did not suggest abandoning. (I always find it amusing as to what people will pick out of my posts and how they interpret it)  Either I would not have gotten a dog to begin with.. or  if it was in a stressful situation.. I'd find a better home for him.  That's all.  At times, I will state things bluntly so to shock people into thinking.
Seems you have a solution. Thank you VERY much. :)


Unfortunately, the internet makes miscommunication possible because you can't hear someone's tone. Sorry you're getting defensive. I didn't mean to put words in anyone's mouth or to 'pick anything out' which is why I quote as much as I can of the person I am replying to...to me 'giving up a dog' means the same thing as abandoning...and you did say "If it were I,  I wouldn't keep the dog.  It's way to stressful to an animal if they love you and try to protect you.. to ask or train them to do otherwise, is cruel. "

In all honesty, if I weren't committed to taking a dog into my home, I wouldn't have done it. I'm mature and responsible about the decisions I make. I spend time researching things and thinking about them before I decide. I spent months researching dog breeds to find the right one for my home. I went through three interviews and a home check before adopting my dog. I don't do things on a whim. I guess I shouldn't hold people to the same standards I hold myself, but I guess I feel that someone 'changing their mind' about a dog didn't give it enough forethought. I'm not saying that is you or what you are saying by any means, that is just how I perceive that type of situation in general, although I allow that a blanket statement is an ignorant viewpoint and that exceptions occur.

I don't yet have a solution except that getting rid of Barry is not one. I felt personally that I worded my responses to you with care that I would not sound mean or reactive. I tried to state my side clearly and calmly while attempting to understand where you might be coming from. I've tried to be patient, empathetic, courteous and mature. I, too, state things bluntly and it is for this reason I took so much care in how I replied to you.



julietsierra -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/31/2006 3:02:38 AM)

ROFL...A vanilla friend of mine had a dog that was part Rottweiler and part doberman. GREAT watch dog. They lived in a not-so-nice part of town, so he got this dog to protect his wife at night when he was at work.

However, this backfired one day when the couple were deciding to have a little fun in the afternoon - all vanilla mind you.

They shut the door and were enjoying themselves. What they didn't know though was that the dog had learned how to get a shut door open. The next thing they knew, the dog was flying through the air, growling at this man who was making the woman make sounds that sounded like distress to him...and before either of them could move, the dog bit the guy in the ass.

They got rid of the dog and got a lock for their bedroom door.

juliet



MistressSonya -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/31/2006 5:56:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Miseri

I'm looking for some suggestions about how to handle our beagle when we have a session. Today we put him in his crate but he started howling when I was crying out/screaming from being flogged. Unfortunately, it was a distraction to us both and we were concerned that our dog would become confused that I was actually being hurt.


 I use to have a black lab.. she freaked out.. so I invited her into the room.. and talked to her and petted her.. I know that this is a pain in a middle of a scene, but it only took one time of doing this.. and she realized no one was getting hurt.. then anytime I got the slapper out.. she would run up to me and want her ass beat with it.. now boxer.. it took a little bit more.. I did the same thing to her.. and then after the scene I  talked to her.. and I let her be in the room a couple of times while we were scening.. now she care less
hope this helps
MistressSonya






wildrrose -> RE: Dog Worried About My Cries of Pain... (8/31/2006 6:08:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrrPete

I wonder how Cesar Milano would handle this? [The Dog Whisperer]


Hehehe.... do You want to be the one to ask him? ;)



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