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Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a ... - 8/28/2006 1:45:06 AM   
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I've heard many people said to me that Asian female are naturally submissive. I took it quite offensively at the first. As I see it, we are not necessarily naturally submissive, but rather, our manners are much more strict and rigid. A lot of manners, which are daily norm for a Chinese woman, would be considered as rituals in western eyes. I described the environment I grew up, and the expected manner as a daughter, he was quite surprised and said "it looks to me that you grow up in a high protocol environment". This comment inspired me that it would be quite interesting if I could take a look at the Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view.

Please understand that my discussion doesn't involve sex. I'm interested in BDSM with the perspective of power exchange. Looking at the Chinese family structure from such perspective doesn't mean that I believe Chinese are all kinky people. When I use the word dominate and submissive to describe a power structure between mother and son, doesn't mean they will have sexual relationship too. As many Chinese girl, sex doesn't exist in my family. We don't talk about, and we pretend we don't have it either. This essay is NOT about sex. I hope I make myself clear.

In a traditional Chinese family, there are different rankings which are almost as rigid as military rankings. The family leader is very much like a Master in a D/s relationship. The person would normally be a male. (In certain occasion, of which we will discuss in the later part of this essay, an elder female would be the family leader). The Master of the family is responsible to support the family financially. He makes all the decision, and his words are final. Everything happened in this family will report to him, and he has to approve all the changes from dishes for dinner to new piece of furniture. If the dinner is not what he's in mind, he has every right to ask his wife (or the female who cook for that night) to redo it.

Under this "Master of the family" would be his eldest adult son. He only submits to his father. When the father is not at home, he'll be the one who make and approves all the decisions.

Then there comes the mistress of the family—wife of the Master/father. She normally submits only to her husband, only when her husband is not present, she would submit to her eldest adult son. Under such circumstances, her opinion weights much more to her son compare to her husband. However, her eldest son still makes the final decision.

The mistress of the family dominates all the females of the family when males are not at present. In some situation, she acts as what we normally call an "alpha" slave. She would assign different people with various domestic chores. She would be responsible for domestic spends. Normally, Master of the house won't interfere with her responsibilities, unless something he sees as very wrong, and he has to step into her zone of authority.

The daughters of the family and wives of the adult sons are normally the lowest of the food chain. (In most traditional Chinese family, wives of adult sons are considered a part of the family.) They submit to everyone. For the daughters, they have to obey their father (the Master of the house), they're, in many aspect, considered as properties. During the old time, it was completely legal for the father to punish his daughters in any way he see fit, even death. As for the wives of the adult sons, they have to obey the Master of the house, then their husband, then their mother in law.

In a traditional Chinese family, daughters live with their parents until they get married. They would be the property of their father, until they become the property of their husband. Before the year 1949, most of the marriages are arranged marriage. These girls were more or less sold in various fashions.

Polygamy was very common and encouraged in ancient China. The small wives (as we call them in China) and the original wife would be a perfect picture of a D/s house hold with a Master, an alpha slave, and many other lesser slaves. Under rare circumstances other than the death of the original wife, should a "small wife" replace her and gain her power as the alpha slave. However, if the original wife doesn't have a son, or a small wife has a son before the original wife, she would have much power through her son, who is the eldest.

In many cases, the elder female would become the Mistress of the family. A very strong female normally takes power after the death of her husband. This power structure is very much accepted by the society if her eldest son doesn't show a strong dominate personality. Her sons would submit to her, and give her the rights to make all the decisions. She will continue to be the Mistress of the house until she's dead and her eldest son normally takes over.

Modern Chinese family inherits many features from its historical root, despite the effort of communist party who virtually broke the Chinese old value through the 10 years of culture revolution. The modern family structure keeps the old "Master of the house" dynamic. However it becomes much smaller compare to the old Chinese family, where many generations live under one roof.

The modern family as I see it would start in the year 1980 (around the time I was born). It was during that time period the communist party started to reinforce the policy of "one family one child" in order to control the population. The family becomes two working parents, and one child. The Power dynamic is very simple: father is the Master of the house, if the child is a boy, he would be the second on the power chain, then would be the wife/mother; if the child is a daughter, her mother would act as the alpha slave, and the daughter submit to everyone.

What I would like to emphasize on is the manner expected from the wife and daughter of the family. They are expected in every way to be the submissive of the Master of the family.

I was brought up by my grandmother, who was a very well educated lady from a wealthy traditional family. My father, who is an extremely dominate person, came to see me every weekend due to his busy schedule with work. He normally come to visit on Sundays. He'll first make a call to us and announce the proximate time of his arrival. My grandma will start prepare for the lunch, she'll ask for his approval for the dishes, unless he'll tell her: "do as you see fit". When my dad arrives, my grandma and I will come to the door to welcome him. I will take his suitcase or whatever he has in his hand. He comes into the living room, sits in the chair facing the door. I"ll prepare tea for him and bring him snacks. Normally my dad will talk to my grandma. I will be quiet unless someone talk to me (very high protocol). During that time when my dad is talking to my grandma, I'm supposed to focus on my dad. I'll be responsible for adding water to his tea, bring him napkins if he's eating the snack.

Eventually, my grandma will go to get lunch ready, I would either go help her or stay with my dad if he needs to talk to me. At the dinner table, the general rule is no one would sit down by the table if the host or Master of the house doesn't sit down. No one would start eating if Master doesn't start eating. However, if he sits down and he starts to eat, it would be consider extremely rude if one seat is still empty. If the dish is far away from me, I can not stand up and reach for it. However, Master of the house has the rights to ask for the dishes to be brought to him. I would have to eat whatever is in front of me and with in my reach. Master of the house will occasionally ask other people to enjoy a certain dish. At this point, if the dish is far away from me, others will bring it to me, or I'm allowed to stand up and reach for it. If I'm not talked to, I normally expected to be quiet. However, I'm allowed to talk to people next to me, without drawing any attention to me.

As a daughter of the Chinese family, the most important thing is "do not draw any attention to yourself". Asking or show off for attention is considered to be extremely rude and reflects poor manner. It would embarrass the Master of the house hold, in my case, my father. Even today, when I go have dinner with my dad and his guests, I normally sit right next to him; I'll discuss dishes he would order with him if he asked for my opinion. I would silently remind him about certain facts of his guests; I would remind him about the time, about certain things he would like to address…Other than that, I still keep quiet if no one talk to me. I will focus on his needs, his tea, the food he normally enjoy, if he needs fresh napkins, if he need to change his plate. Because he needs to focus on his discussion and his guests, it's my responsibility to focus on him…Formal dinners are very exhausting, and I try to avoid those occasions.

When talking to elders, especially the Master of the house, I would never talk in terms. Even if I'm tired or frustrated, I will always speak to him with a pleasant and obedient tone. Hold in emotions is also part of the requirement. I was not allowed to cry under any circumstances. Crying in public is very embarrassing. It falls into the criteria of "drawing attention to yourself". A proper lady should always calm, pleasant and drama free.

The idea here is very similar to D/s requirement to a submissive. You should never consider yourself as the most important. It is your Master whom you should put first and always. A Chinese female is required to put her father, later her husband first in her life. She should always focus on his need, obey his orders, and make him happy. The "do not draw any attention to yourself" concept is almost in a Old Guard fashion. Yet many Chinese ladies still trained with it, and are training their daughters with the same concept.

Punishment for misbehavior or disobedience varies in different families, and acceptable punishments get less severe over the years. Once it's normal to put a daughter to death as punishment is consider illegal now. However, physical punishment is still acceptable as a part of education. Chinese culture encourage physical punishment, we even have the saying "beating would make a decent child". For girls, most of the punishment would be kneeling in the corner and spanking. When I was a child, my grandma used to have a two feet long bamboo ruler. She used to spank my hand with it until I start to play piano. Then it would be my arm, hurts even more than my palm. Other girls from my class also got various spanking as normal punishment for unpleasant grade, or coming home too late. Mother would mostly be the one who carried out those punishments. It would be like asking the alpha slave to carry out the discipline of the beta slave.   

Master once told me about this advance technique of a slave—"see through a wall". A slave is in service of her Master, she would pull coffee for her Master and leave him and go to another room where she can not see her Master or his coffee cup. However because the slave is completely focusing on her Master, and she knows how fast her Master would finish that cup of coffee, she would come in and add more coffee for her Master at the right time, as if she can see through the wall.

I don't know about myself, but I've seen many ladies in my family who could easily make it happen. If you meet a Chinese lady, especially those who were born in China (compare to those who are born in the United States), you might expect to see some strong submissive tendencies. When I look back on the way I was brought up, it would considered as high protocol. We have a certain, almost rigid "proper" way for every thing.

But does that means that population wise, traditional Chinese women are more to the submissive side? I don't think so. Master believes that 80% of the population is submissives. It just so happen that Chinese culture encourages female to be submissive, to be obedient to her "Master". Female submissive nature in western culture might be repressed due to feminism movement; while female submissive nature is encouraged in Chinese culture. As a result, Chinese girls show more submissive character compare to western girls.

However, BDSM as I see it should be consensual. A submissive should be aware of her submissive nature; her submission should not come from habit or culture, but rather her own choice. She needs to realize her inner desire for control and dominate. She should draw great pleasure simply from serving her Master. A willing and selfless heart is what makes a submissive truly what she is, and that's what makes her gift of service priceless.

PS:

Master, it's been some time since I wrote something. I can't tell you how excited I am that I have the drive to write and draw and paint again. I have my energy and creativity back. I often compare our creative people to pearl oysters, sadly enough, we need to hurt ourselves to create something as beautiful as pearl. I have been hurting for so long and hopefully whatever come out of it would eventually prove to be worth the pain and effort.

Sincerely yours

F.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 2:05:20 AM   
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prettichinadoll, very interesting article!
And during that time was religion allowed in China?
And which religion are most Chinese?

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 2:39:54 AM   
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On culture alone, women in most cultures are raised and expected to be submissive/obidiant to men and especially there husbands.

How often do you see a group of women playing a table game while a guy brings them sandwiches and drinks?

Anyhow, I find that natural submission and the cultural expectaion of being submissive to be two different things. Those who are raised to be submissive may find themselves being more loyal to there husband than submissive. These women find themselves still taking over certain aspects of the relationship. These aspects may include finances/business decissions, keeping there man well dressed, the diet for the family to eat, and what social outings are acceptable. Being loyal and careing does not always mean you will always do as you are told but rather do what's needed to keep the family in shape.  

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 5:40:52 AM   
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I thoroughly enjoyed your essay. Thank you for sharing the history and culture of the Chinese people. I'm curious to learn what influences if any your upbringing had on your decision to explore this lifestyle. I would welcome additional dialogue on the subject.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 5:46:54 AM   
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Very enlightening post :)  Thank you.  It's made me think of another thread  idea.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 5:48:05 AM   
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In light of this discussion and the OP's input... anyone seen
Memoirs of a Geisha?  .....very interesting.....
http://movies.about.com/od/memoirsofageisha/

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 5:48:48 AM   
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Lotus, Another?

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 7:05:34 AM   
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Absolutely fabulous post.  THIS is why I come to forums.  Your writing style is very fluid and clear, your points are all on target and it's fabulous to read from your own experiences.  Far too often people romanticize the "old fashioned relationships of the 50s" and it's nice to have someone who really has lived and been brought up in a cultural pressured relationship.  Thank you so much for sharing.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 7:30:19 AM   
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A couple of years ago, I had the pleasure of having a Chinese woman serve me for a few months.  She was in the US for a work exchange program.

Her circumstances were this:  She grew up in the country, as opposed to a more urban area, so her upbringing was more traditional.

I don't recall specifically whether her marriage was arranged, but I distinctly recall that her first sexual experience with him was rape.  I found it interesting that a relationship of sorts was born out of that.

Because of work, she and her husband were separated.  They would get together periodically.  She was aware of his infidelity, which is frowned upon in modern China, but actually saved his career by not letting details of his affair come out.

She sought slavery over the Web for a couple of years before she felt that she was prepared for it in real-time.  She had tried to get her husband 'involved' in her interests, but either he or his cultural upbringing deemed her needs 'sick'.  I believe I was something like the third person she met, after she was in the US.  She started a relationship with another, but it ended very quickly, and connected with me.

She wanted to be taught slavery.  Her needs were of the 'pain and punishment' sort, which I could easily facilitate.  What was most interesting is that, in her culture and her mind, pleasure in the carnal sense is unthinkable.  She couldn't understand that her body could react in such a positive fashion to my ordinary touch.  She was horrified and begged me to stop when I could repeatedly bring her to orgasm without pain.

Naturally, 'pleasure' became a fundamental part of her training.  Yes, yes, she also got the pain she was desperately looking for, and she NEVER backed off no matter how severe.

I found our cultural differences quite an eye-opener.  As she was my first and, to date, only native Asian servant, I could not tell whether her peculiarities were hers or whether they were part of her heritage.  There was definitely the feel that I could have my way in any regard, which of course was quite intoxicating.

I hope this adds some perspective.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 7:43:24 AM   
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prettichinadoll,
 
Thank you for this exceptionally enlightening post.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 8:51:46 AM   
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I do agree with others here. This is a very well written and enlightening post, F. I look forward to others you will be posting.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 9:40:59 AM   
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Hi There,
I have been very drawn to the order in an Asian society & household. I too felt the draw of the family infrastructure all in their proper positions, the discipline, being honorable so as not to disgrace your family, and ethics of your culture though I was raised here as a western woman. I think traditional Asia society, martial arts, and the sensuality of Asian women have molded a large portion of how I relate to BDSM structures as well.
I agree a good BDSM Master's home should be led under these types of guidelines. I also agree that life in those Asian cultures was thrust upon you and not a choice so it was not enjoyed by all. I'm very glad here we have the freedom to choose to submit and it's not just thrust upon us.
Thank you for your inside view of the path you've led. It's been an enlightening message for me.
Suzanne

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 11:02:17 AM   
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But does that means that population wise, traditional Chinese women are more to the submissive side? I don't think so. Master believes that 80% of the population is submissives. It just so happen that Chinese culture encourages female to be submissive, to be obedient to her "Master". Female submissive nature in western culture might be repressed due to feminism movement; while female submissive nature is encouraged in Chinese culture. As a result, Chinese girls show more submissive character compare to western girls.




Traditional Asian cultures developed as a reflection of a deep philosophical understanding and belief in the natural forces of the yin and the yang...the feminine and the masculine...the submissive and the aggressive. Within that context, an aggressive, masculine woman would be considered to be quite perverse, a deviant, an obscenity, an abomination and an affront not only to society but to the natural order of life itself.

The modern feminist movement is built upon the philosophical concept that we can create social change by breaking down the traditional concepts of male/female roles. The aggressive woman is becoming more common in the Western world. So too is the submissive male. Is this creating a more just and egalitarian society? Or, by suspending belief in the natural forces that motivate us, are we creating a deviant society...an abomination?





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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 12:08:01 PM   
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What an amazing post! I really appreciate hearing about Chinese family power structures from someone who has lived it and your articulate writing made it easy to understand.  Welcome to the forums!

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I've heard many people said to me that Asian female are naturally submissive. I took it quite offensively at the first. As I see it, we are not necessarily naturally submissive, but rather, our manners are much more strict and rigid.


I know this is a very small snippit of your post, so I hope you'll forgive me for paraphrasing.  Much of what you've said makes a very strong argument for submission being a learned part of culture rather than an "inborn" tendency.  Women learn very early on their place as well as that of the men around them and have little choice in the matter, regardless of their temperment or personality style.  Also, in nearly all of the examples you describe, girls in a family are to be submissive towards everyone else in the home - only age and death of the Father offer the possibility of a greater role for a woman. Would you agree or disagree? 

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  I was brought up by my grandmother, who was a very well educated lady from a wealthy traditional family.


I appreciate your reminder that even well-educated women or wealthy women can still serve in a submissive capacity, even as she was still within the hierarchy of higher station than you as the granddaughter. Regardless, both of you had roles to fill that placed your focus on your father, just in different ways.  This was a beautiful illustration of attentive service - thank you.

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A proper lady should always calm, pleasant and drama free.


*smiles*  Indeed...  advice for us all, I think.

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  You should never consider yourself as the most important... The "do not draw any attention to yourself" concept is almost in a Old Guard fashion. Yet many Chinese ladies still trained with it, and are training their daughters with the same concept.


There have been several discussions about the reality/fantasy of "The Old Guard," but I see what you're saying.  There are definately circles within D/s that focus more on  dignity, propriety and mannered protocol and within those circles there is often an emphasis on passing down the information from more experienced to less experienced servants/slaves.  This sounds much like what you describe happens between grandmothers, mothers, aunts and daughters.

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But does that means that population wise, traditional Chinese women are more to the submissive side? I don't think so. Master believes that 80% of the population is submissives. It just so happen that Chinese culture encourages female to be submissive, to be obedient to her "Master". Female submissive nature in western culture might be repressed due to feminism movement; while female submissive nature is encouraged in Chinese culture. As a result, Chinese girls show more submissive character compare to western girls.


I think this goes back to the question of whether submissiveness is inborn or learned behavior.  I would suggest that Chinese society (like other Asian cultures) is more rigid about the roles allowed men and women and, in general, those who step out of those roles find themselves with little support.  Being submissive to male authority is rewarded, so most women choose it whether they are intrinsically submissive in personality or not.  The opposite is likely true of US. (like other Western cultures)  Women here are rewarded for being independent, self-sufficient and are not encouraged to devote all of their attention to any one person -- especially a man.  Here, though, there is more flexibility for incorporating different degrees of independence, so a woman may hold a high position at work and earn her own money, yet come home to a collar and a very different set of expectations at home.  Would you consider this -- different degrees of dominance/submission depending on the environment and circumstances -- to be a good thing or a not so good thing?

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  However, BDSM as I see it should be consensual. A submissive should be aware of her submissive nature; her submission should not come from habit or culture, but rather her own choice. She needs to realize her inner desire for control and dominate. She should draw great pleasure simply from serving her Master. A willing and selfless heart is what makes a submissive truly what she is, and that's what makes her gift of service priceless.


Here we absolutely agree.  If this is true, though, what do you think of existing Chinese culture?  Or Western culture for that matter?  Can any person raised within a set of cultural values ever make a completly free choice, given the different pressures that may come from family, friends, society, work or others?   I guess what I'm saying is that choice is more a matter of degree than "free/not free" and who is to say what is part of our "nature" and what we learned from our earliest age, before we even had words to express it?

Fascinating post...  thank you for this and your continued creativity. I'm glad to hear you're feeling creative again.

~Holly


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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 12:29:29 PM   
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I enjoyed your post, but I don’t think Asian societies necessarily produce more submissive women. I lived for 5 years in Korea and have known Asian women intimately for many more years in the U.S. Admittedly, there are superficial trappings that may make someone assume Asian women are subservient, but once you get past that, many of the same traits seen in all cultures are prevalent. I feel that, percentage wise, there are as many American submissive women as there are Asian submissives.

There are social mores and Kisaeng women in Korea and Geisha women in Korea who contribute to the misconception of women being submissive.  However, the highly ritualistic experience of women serving men with only overtones of sex is left in the Kisaeng houses. It really isn’t present in everyday Korean society.

I lived in a type of apartment that opened into a courtyard shared by three other apartments in a town in Korea called Waegwan. All the residents knew each other well. The mayor of the town lived in one of the apartments and owned all of them. I say he owned the apartments, but, more accurately, his wife did. She ran that family with a hand as hard as one belonging to a martial arts practitioner. The mayor feared his wife so much it was almost humorous.

When you get behind the closed doors of the society, I think we are more alike than you might think.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 1:25:32 PM   
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i spent many years with an asian man during my late teens/early 20's. He came to the US as a yong boy (i think 12 or so). His parents lived in China and migrated to Hong Kong before coming to the US.  i witnessed some of what you are speaking of prettichinadoll.

In the serving of the food the father was always first followed by the eldest son, then my boyfriend, then the mother, all his sisters and me.  We didn't eat till the father started to eat.  When their grandfather died the eldest boy inherited the largest sum, followed by my boyfriend, who got about $3,000.00 less and each sister got about $1,000.00 each. 

His parents always wanted him to marry a "nice chinese girl" and there was actually this woman in town who was a matchmaker of sort she would always have pictures and names of girls in china eager to come to the US to find a husband and make a life.  In an attempt to be more accepted i tried to do more traditional things. Thats how i leanred to sew actually lol... his mom was a great seamstress and she taught me.It was my way of trying to get her to like and accept me.  Their thoughts were, i couldn't cook or sew how could i make an acceptable wife lol. 

We moved away from his family and he seemed very "Americanized" but it wasn't untill he revealed certain things that i became aware of how ingrained his culture was to him. He for instance would send home extra money to his parents.  We planned on getting married but all his insurances etc would go to his mother in case of his death.  He also always told me that his parents would one day live with us so i had beter get used to that idea. When i questioned him about it his response to me was, "You only have one set of parents, you can always get another wife" Needless to say this was an eye opener for me and i had to leave the relationship The cultureal differences were just to great betwen us.

Thank you for your very insightful post, and yes when i think back on that very early relationship it made me think of the hierarchy within bdsm families i have read about.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/28/2006 1:34:12 PM   
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Yeah, I don't think Asian women are any more or less submissive than any other kind of women--though that's not what the OP was saying, either.  I will say this: I know East Asia very well (have lived there, etc. etc.), and my impression is not that Asian WOMEN are more submissive, but that EAST ASIANS GENERALLY are more submissive than Americans or Europeans when they're in relationships where they feel they're expected to be submissive.  But they're not at all submissive when they're in relationships where they feel they're expected to be dominant.  And the same person can be quite submissive with one person and quite dominant with another.  Also, to take a common example, a subordinate male who spent most of his life as the junior member of his family, company, or whatever, might grow into a very domineering person once he becomes the senior male.

So I don't think any of this has to do with the Asians are constitutionally or naturally; it has to do with East Asian culture, especially in places (like Korea and Japan) where the pressure to act as you're expected to act is especially strong.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/29/2006 11:24:23 AM   
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mstrjx, Thank you for sharing your experience with a Chinese woman. Part of the reason I wrote this post is hoping it would get attention of my fellow Chinese dominate or submisssives. It has been one year since I get into this life style, I've never met anyone with the same culture back ground with me.

I find your experience with that Chinese lady quite interesting. How old was she when you met her? People went through the culture revolution group up to be quite different from my generation. I can understand the mind frame of hers, especially when you mentioned you felt that you can have your way with her in any regards. I feel the same way with my Master especially during the heat of the scene. I guess at that moment, I lost the sense of "self" as a human being. It's a wonderful feeling.

and once again, thank you for sharing your experience with me, I would love to talk to that lady if it's at all possible.

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/29/2006 11:45:36 AM   
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I find your experience with that Chinese lady quite interesting. How old was she when you met her? People went through the culture revolution group up to be quite different from my generation. I can understand the mind frame of hers, especially when you mentioned you felt that you can have your way with her in any regards. I feel the same way with my Master especially during the heat of the scene. I guess at that moment, I lost the sense of "self" as a human being. It's a wonderful feeling.



I admit that I had to look at your profile prior to me even responding the first time to make certain that you and she weren't the same person.

She was 31 at the time we met.  She was to be in the US for a two-year period maximum, and I think she was nearly one year into that period when we met.

I didn't mention what became of her, as I didn't wish to cast poor aspersions of our relationship.

Her background in China was as a surgeon.  In the US, however, she would have needed to spend much time here getting certified to be able to utilize her experience.  All she could do here was be involved in research.

She found this, naturally, to be dull work for her.  To compound the problem, she was unsupervised except for the occasional report to write.  She ended up spending her time web-surfing.  Also, while there were plans for her husband to visit, he was sabotaging his efforts to become acceptable for a visit.  This made her depressed to some extent.

I tried very hard to get her to become more responsible.  Her two-year period could be cut off at any time if she were caught.  Part of the problem was that we could not be together daily to better enforce discipline.  Her behavior kept becoming more and more self-destructive (professionally).  Eventually it became too much for me.  I had never had problems with a sub or slave being out of control in this manner.  I released her.

I'm believing that the timeframe from then to now would have her back in China now.  I also believe that she would be found out in her lack of work.  I somehow doubt that she was even able to stay the full time period.

Jeff

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RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture fro... - 8/29/2006 12:01:24 PM   
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I would like to add one point, which I didn't put into my little essay because it would make it unnecessarily complicated. China has been hit by the feminism movement after Communist party took over the country in 1949. The government believes that male and female are equal. Yet I find it quite disturbing that Chinese feminists try to be "equal" with male by denying their female characters. They try to act like man, get a job normally assigned to male to prove that they have the same power as men have.

As a result of such influence, many families starts to educate their daughter the same way a boy would be educated. This girl grow up denying their feminine character. I've seen many Chinese family in which Mother are the dominate. This power structure is accepted if father of the family doesn't show strong dominate character. The husband normally go out to work, give all his income to his wife, and save a certain amont of money as allowence (the amont is previously agreed with his wife/Mistress). The wife would make all the decisions, however, the tricky part is the concept of "saving face" in Chinese culture. In most cases, the wife/mistress had to make it looks like the husband is in control of the family. It is unacceptable if the wife publicly embarrasses her husband. such behavior would lead to major upsets.



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