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prettichinadoll -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 12:10:23 PM)

Thank you Jeff, for sharing your experience.

If She's 31, I would imagine she probably caught up the last few years of culture revolution. From what you described of her, she has shown some self-destructive tendency probably due to depression. It's just my speculation that part of the reason she's insterested in the lifestyle might also due to the same self-destructive tendency. Thay's why "punishmen and pain" was what she wants the most, and she can't accept the pleasure of the lifestyle. It looks to me that she is punishing herself for something.

I truly wish her the best.




prettichinadoll -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 12:35:31 PM)

Holly,

Thank you for your reply.

Many who knows me in person find it quite interesting everytime I smile or laugh, I'll over my mouth with my hand. It's a reflex to me, as to most Chinese girls (I know Japanese girls tent to do the same). I'm a lot less shy compare to the time when first get into the scene, yet the reflex of cover my mouth when laughing probably will never change. Many Chinese manners are a second nature to me.

Submission is a inner desire to please other people. The way to please people is a learn behavior and varies from person to person. However, it's true that most people would be pleased by a lot of the same thing -- being respected, being obeyed, being cared for, and being the center of the attention...When I look at the Chinese culture and female's position in a family structure, I would have to say the function of female, the entire sex, is extremely submissive in my culture. If we would take a close look into our old fashion manners, most of them exist to please man or other dominate figures in the soceity. Even if a lady is dominate in nature, by obey those traditions, she'll be a perfect submissive to her husband. This would, of course, create a conflects inside herself. But without any education, she probably won't even know why she's unhappy.

Submission is a inborn desire, yet behavior is learned. Having the desire doesn't necessariely leads to the behavior, and that's where all those "training" are from. Many believes "training" is about positions, rigid rituals...but I see training as quite personal, it's for me to learn what my Master would like the most, and adjust myself to please him in every way I can.

I see "different degrees of dominance/submission depending on the environment and circumstances" not in terms of "good" or "bad", but rather "choice". I consider myself a very strong person. I can handle stressful situation with ease. I have strong personality, and I'll laugh at those so called "doms" who would ask me to kneel in front of them. I'm a graduate student as well as a teacher, I show strong dominate tendency with my students. Submission to me is not a habit, is not because of my culture, but my choice. I choose to submit to a certain person.

Try to think of this from a dom's point of view, what kind of submission and obedience would be more valuable, the obedience due to habit, due to "I had to", due to "the social norm", due to weakness, due to fear...or the obedience due to "I love you, and I choice to obey you". My problem with a doormat slave is that they doesn't allowed any other choice, or they're not aware of other options. They serve because of fear or ignorence. That's why I always say "if you want doormat, please go to wal-mart, where they comes with difference sizes and colors".

As to the concept of "choice", I believe in the concept that there's no "right" or "wrong", there's only Choice. Sometimes people make choices they don't understand, but that doesn't mean they don't have a choice. I heard many people say "but I don't have other choice, I have to do this". There's nothing in the world which "you have to do". The point is not whether if we can make a free choice without the pressure of culture of society. But rather, we make a choice and try to understand it the reason behind it. Do I make the choice because of "me" or due to the habit of my childhood, or unseen motivation from my culture? that's the most important thing to think about.

and once again, thank you for a very well thought response.




prettichinadoll -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 12:42:16 PM)

velvetears,
 
What you described were very normal Chinese beliefs. Unlike Western culture, Chinese have a strong believe in the concept of "Xiao", which means the love and care for their elders. Most of the Chinese parents live with their married son, most of the time with the eldest son. You make the right decision to end that relationship because i won't think you will understand your boyfriend's feeling towards his mother. Think of it as a subbie boy with his Mistress...pretty much the same. He'll put her as primary. and you as his submissive also have to submit to his mother. I don't think you'll like it. lol
 
 




prettichinadoll -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 12:52:32 PM)

Lordandmaster,
 
I don't agree with you that the entire asian people are more submissive. Like I said, the Chinese culture (and most asian culture since they all comes from the same root of Chinese culture) emphasize on structure and obedience. In traditional China, a Emperor would be consider the owner of the land and every one live there. He has the absolute power over everything. If he wants someone to die, he doesn't need the reason to exicute that person.
 
As thousands years of tradition, Chinese people has a strong submissive tendency towards authority. They tent to consider their nation as a huge family, and the government as the parents, who as in normal Chinese family, be responsible for the well being for its people, yet have the absolute power to control them.
 
All of these discussion goes back to Holly's questions of submission is a inner desire or train behavior. Western culture often believes individualism and democracy as a "inner desire" of people. Yet I see it as a trained behavior. If We somehow change the Chinese govornment into a democratic govornment, no one in China would know how to deal with it, they don't know how to enjoy their democratic rights. They're so used to be told by the govornment what is allowed what is not. democracy in now aday China would be a disarster withouth a proper transition period.
 
I got way~~~ sidetracked...Sorry, let's go back to D/s relationship.




Padriag -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 2:28:51 PM)

One of the most interesting posts I've read here in quite awhile.  Thank you for sharing it.

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ORIGINAL: prettichinadoll

I would like to add one point, which I didn't put into my little essay because it would make it unnecessarily complicated. China has been hit by the feminism movement after Communist party took over the country in 1949. The government believes that male and female are equal. Yet I find it quite disturbing that Chinese feminists try to be "equal" with male by denying their female characters. They try to act like man, get a job normally assigned to male to prove that they have the same power as men have.

Sadly that's not a phenomenon limited to China.




sugarcoatedscamp -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 4:45:06 PM)

Thank you so much for sharing this.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Looking at Chinese family structure and culture from a BDSM point of view (8/29/2006 5:22:20 PM)

That's not what I said, sweetheart.

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ORIGINAL: prettichinadoll

Lordandmaster,
 
I don't agree with you that the entire asian people are more submissive.




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