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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/23/2006 2:36:16 PM

Emperor1956

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oh gee...I have to be a spoiler again. There is significant research into sleep and dreams that says that dreams mean NOTHING. They are the byproducts of a chemical cleaning and polishing your brain goes through during REM sleep. Yes, sleep is critical to human health, but dreams are, this theory says, simply a sort of mental discharge with no meaning or significance.

Try this experiment: Close your eyes. Now lightly tap the closed eyelid over your eyeball. What happens? Most people see colors, flashes of light, etc. Are these signs or portents? Do these lights and flashes have significance? NO. They are the result of the fact that nerves in the eyeball that ONLY translate light stimulus are responding to pressure...as light.

The really interesting thing to Me about this "biochemical" dream theory is that there are also a large number of neurobiologists who believe that "God" and spiritual phenomena are biochemical artifacts.

So before you agonize more over these dreams and nightmares, consider they may be the equivalent of your body digesting a bad burrito.

E.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/23/2006 3:19:56 PM

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I wonder if nightmares could be a thing that has been passed down via genetic coding to keep people from relaxing too much and letting the saber tooth tiger drag away Wilma Flintstone?

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/23/2006 4:09:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

I wonder if nightmares could be a thing that has been passed down via genetic coding to keep people from relaxing too much and letting the saber tooth tiger drag away Wilma Flintstone?

If you are really interested in learning about this genetic theory of dreams read Carl Jung - he writes a lot about this and about symbolism - quite fascinating.

Jung, Man and His Symbols is an excellent book.

"Jung's concept of the collective unconscious has often been misunderstood. In order to understand this concept, it is essential to understand his idea of the archetype, something foreign to the highly rational, scientifically-oriented Western mind.
The collective unconscious could be thought of as the DNA of the human psyche. Just as all humans share a common physical heritage and predisposition towards specific physical forms (like having two legs, a heart, etc.) so do all humans have a common psychological predisposition. However, unlike the quantifiable information that composes DNA (in the form of coded sequences of nucleotides), the collective unconscious is composed of archetypes.
In contrast to the objective material world, the subjective realm of archetypes can not be fully plumbed through quantitative modes of research. Instead it can be revealed more fully through an examination of the symbolic communications of the human psyche — in art, dreams, religion, myth, and the themes of human relational/behavioral patterns. Devoting his life to the task of exploring and understanding the collective unconscious, Jung theorized that certain symbolic themes exist across all cultures, all epochs, and in every individual.."

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/23/2006 4:20:35 PM

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Perhaps this is why I enjoy horror movies, and writing horror stories... My dreams? They've always been strange. Yes, I've seen "shrinks." And doctors for my sleeping patterns. I did a sleep study and it showed my R.E.M. state last three times as long as the average person...

I've dreamed of blood, gore, bones, death, you name it... Yes, you can die in dreams. I've done it, many times... However, most of the time I dream I am another person. Half watching a movie, half stuck in a strange body. I'd say 80 percent of the time, I dream I'm in another person's life, in another time.

However, I do dream good things. I get the very passionate scening dreams... Where I wake up, and for the next week I can't stop smiling, and turning red. Dreams can tell us what we don't want to hear. Or they can tell us what we need to do. They can also be pure imagination gone wild...

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 1:18:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

If you are really interested in learning about this genetic theory of dreams read Carl Jung - he writes a lot about this and about symbolism - quite fascinating.

Jung, Man and His Symbols is an excellent book.

"Jung's concept of the collective unconscious has often been misunderstood. In order to understand this concept, it is essential to understand his idea of the archetype, something foreign to the highly rational, scientifically-oriented Western mind.
The collective unconscious could be thought of as the DNA of the human psyche. Just as all humans share a common physical heritage and predisposition towards specific physical forms (like having two legs, a heart, etc.) so do all humans have a common psychological predisposition. However, unlike the quantifiable information that composes DNA (in the form of coded sequences of nucleotides), the collective unconscious is composed of archetypes.
In contrast to the objective material world, the subjective realm of archetypes can not be fully plumbed through quantitative modes of research. Instead it can be revealed more fully through an examination of the symbolic communications of the human psyche — in art, dreams, religion, myth, and the themes of human relational/behavioral patterns. Devoting his life to the task of exploring and understanding the collective unconscious, Jung theorized that certain symbolic themes exist across all cultures, all epochs, and in every individual.."

Velvet, thanks for the thorough research and links. It is interesting that the same themes are dreamed all across the world in every culture.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 2:35:32 AM

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I can hear better during these times. My ears are especially tuned into the slightest sound.

I used to have that phenomenon much more when I was younger. My hearing would become so acute when I woke up, that even the slightest sound, would be terrifying the sound of the blankets rustling, My breathing... I remember in particular, My Mother had a very large fan in Her window....it was fairly loud on it's own..but when I would wake with the acute hearing, it would be positively terrifying. I suspect that whatever dream I was having prior to waking up, the adrenaline charged up My senses, in a fight or flight reaction.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 2:48:57 AM

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I had a real-life nightmare on Sunday, just gone.

My Mistress wrapped me up in saran wrap, really tight and secure - I couldnt move a muscle. Then (as a humiliation thing) covered my head and face in shaving foam. She left me like that then, turning off the light and closing the door on her exit. I moved my head to one side and got a face full of even more foam, but Mistress had put a towel under my head. Somehow, this ended up covering my face and trapping all airways. I tried to inhale air, but all I got was a mouth full of foam and my nostrils were blocked now too. I tried to sit up but I seriously couldnt move a muscle. I screamed as loud as I could. I screamed 3 times before Master came in to see what was going on. He didnt even realise Mistress had put foam on me.

He quickly removed all the foam and I was able to breathe again. It was a terrifying experience, as I was trapped, all alone, and unable to breathe. I dread to think what would have happened if Master had not heard me screaming, or reached me in time. I could very easily have died, suffocated under the foam.

I cant understand why Mistress left me like that in the first place. But anyway, thats my real-life BDSM nightmare lol.

Jess xxx

I think My mouth is still agape from reading this. I am at a loss for words how this situation ever occurred, or that you could be so forgiving. I do not generally judge how others play...but this is such a terrifying scenario-forget about the obvious physical damange that could have been done, the emotional and psychological trauma could have been devestating.
Blessings that you lived to tell about this.

MMNH

< Message edited by MistressMaamNH -- 8/24/2006 2:49:55 AM >

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 3:10:25 AM

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It's funny you should mention this - because right after I first found these boards last year, and was really getting into reading them, I had one of the worst nightmares I've ever had. It was horrible, and really, really scary. It wasn't about BDSM per se, but the people in it were all trying to kill me by skinning me alive, after chasing me up and down an escaltor in a vacuous, very populated building with very high ceilings, where I knew they were following me, but couldn't find a security guard anywhere, for what seemed like hours, and then they somehow cornered me in a room of this old, delapidated house and went to work on me..I woke up in a sweat and slept with the light on for two nights afterward.

And how is that not like being on collarme.com? ;-)

One exposes their belly everytime one posts.

Personally I haven't had a nightmare in about a decade.

To the OP:

Something is chewing you up. Chew back. Go see a psychologist/psychatrist. You seem to be at odds with yourself in RL and in your dreams. Unless this is humor in which case good job.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 8:47:28 AM

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~ Fast Reply ~
There is a video I saw (and now own) on lucid dreaming (called Waking Life). That is the ability to bring yourself where you want to go in your dreams, and direct them while in them. Quite fascinating. This thread is tempting me to pull it out again.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 9:11:21 AM

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I agree…I’m shocked that a ‘Mistress’ would leave a submissive alone in such a state. I try not to judge people either, but that was one of the most irresponsible things I’ve heard of a Dominant doing!

Dang, Jess…HOW are you going to trust her again? I’d be hard pressed to let her put me in such a position again…and would seriously consider leaving such a situation.

You’re lucky you didn’t aspirate the damn foam and were able to scream at all! <shakes head>

beverly

Oh...and I've experienced a few lucid dreams; but they weren't nightmares. I don't dream all that much (that I remember) but when I do it's generally pretty benign, anyway. Except the lucid dreams; they were awesome. Yes, I’ve read you can do things to instigate them; but I’ve not really tried.

I’d say the exertion and what you ate right before bed had most to do with your thirst. But, I have to admit your concern for your poor penis had me cracking up. Good story!!!

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 9:33:19 AM

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OMG
sounds like "Mistress" needs some "How not to kill your sub101"
seriously though,are you an adrenelin junkie?
that sounded "hot"
i have to ask, did it get you wet?
has anyone ever played with your "air"?
i mean on purpose.
and sticking with the theme of the thread..
nightmares are like anything else and subject to how we each percieve them,
what's reality?
it's how we each cope with our world.period.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 10:45:06 AM

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SleeplessGypsy, sometimes waking up early in the morning like that and going back to sleep is a sign of depression.
You could have a low grade depression.
I used to have a recurring dream when I got out of the military that my ship was sinking.

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/24/2006 2:27:00 PM

SleeplessGypsy

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Naaaaaaaaaaa, I'm not depressed... I know this because I've been depressed before so i'd recognize the symptoms...

I only wake up the one time during the night, 3:30am, then at 3:33am... I'm more curious as to what the signifigance of the number mean.. If anything...

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/25/2006 4:36:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressMaamNH

quote:

I had a real-life nightmare on Sunday, just gone.

My Mistress wrapped me up in saran wrap, really tight and secure - I couldnt move a muscle. Then (as a humiliation thing) covered my head and face in shaving foam. She left me like that then, turning off the light and closing the door on her exit. I moved my head to one side and got a face full of even more foam, but Mistress had put a towel under my head. Somehow, this ended up covering my face and trapping all airways. I tried to inhale air, but all I got was a mouth full of foam and my nostrils were blocked now too. I tried to sit up but I seriously couldnt move a muscle. I screamed as loud as I could. I screamed 3 times before Master came in to see what was going on. He didnt even realise Mistress had put foam on me.

He quickly removed all the foam and I was able to breathe again. It was a terrifying experience, as I was trapped, all alone, and unable to breathe. I dread to think what would have happened if Master had not heard me screaming, or reached me in time. I could very easily have died, suffocated under the foam.

I cant understand why Mistress left me like that in the first place. But anyway, thats my real-life BDSM nightmare lol.

Jess xxx

I think My mouth is still agape from reading this. I am at a loss for words how this situation ever occurred, or that you could be so forgiving. I do not generally judge how others play...but this is such a terrifying scenario-forget about the obvious physical damange that could have been done, the emotional and psychological trauma could have been devestating.
Blessings that you lived to tell about this.

MMNH

Strangely enough, i dont feel traumatised by it, but i do feel a little uneasy thinking about play now. that happened on sunday ... i havent seen Master or Mistress since then. im seeing them tonight though. but i dont feel scared or worried about it ...

i must admit though, Mistress granted permission for me to masturbate this week ... i had trouble bringing myself to a climax, as i usually fantasise about being wrapped or restricted ... and asphyxiation etc ... im struggling to find something to think about to bring me off <blush> lol.

Thank you for your blessings though MMNH ... its my 21st birthday on Sunday ... small wonder i made it eh ? lol

Jess x

< Message edited by littlesubjess -- 8/25/2006 4:58:03 AM >

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/25/2006 4:44:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bearlee

I agree…I’m shocked that a ‘Mistress’ would leave a submissive alone in such a state. I try not to judge people either, but that was one of the most irresponsible things I’ve heard of a Dominant doing!

Dang, Jess…HOW are you going to trust her again? I’d be hard pressed to let her put me in such a position again…and would seriously consider leaving such a situation.

You’re lucky you didn’t aspirate the damn foam and were able to scream at all! <shakes head>

beverly

I dont think i will have a problem trusting her again .. i think it was just a silly error with not a lot of thought, and we dont tend to do much that requires a lot of trust, i mean we dont do edge play or needle play, scarification or anything so i should be okay. I dont want to do mummification again though

... bit gutted that its been spoiled for me really, cos i loved it ... however, such is life.

... And, i wont leave her because i love her

... a lot and i would be lost without her.

... And yes, i wonder too how i managed to even scream under the foam ... one of those adrenaline fuelled moments i think. all happened in a flash, can hardly remember how it felt now, but it felt like hours at the time ...

Jess xxx

< Message edited by littlesubjess -- 8/25/2006 4:57:09 AM >

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RE: Nightmares and BDSM - 8/25/2006 4:46:57 AM

littlesubjess

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ORIGINAL: marked

OMG
sounds like "Mistress" needs some "How not to kill your sub101"
seriously though,are you an adrenelin junkie?
that sounded "hot"
i have to ask, did it get you wet?
has anyone ever played with your "air"?
i mean on purpose.
and sticking with the theme of the thread..
nightmares are like anything else and subject to how we each percieve them,
what's reality?
it's how we each cope with our world.period.

no, im not an adrenaline junkie
sounded hot ? are you serious ? it was terrifying
no it did not get me wet ... i just wanted to run away and cry
and yes, Mistress has held her hand over my mouth whilst Master has f**ked me before... but only for a matter of seconds. i did enjoy it, but now im not sure how i will feel ... i think this weekend will tell all.

Jess xxx

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