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masterhyyde -> I need help with a vanilla friend (8/22/2006 11:33:13 PM)

I have a friend who I consider vanilla although she claims to have been active in the lifestyle around 25 years ago.  And she seems to not be able to grasp the concept behind a master/slave or even a dom/sub relationship.

Any ideas on a fast simple answer for her?  I feel like I am just slamming my head into a wall everytime she says something about it.




Estring -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 12:05:20 AM)

Unless you enjoy slamming your head against a wall, don't discuss those subjects with her.




masterhyyde -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 12:13:19 AM)

good advice!! I think I'll take it.




NastyDaddy -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 1:15:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterhyyde

Any ideas on a fast simple answer for her?


"Me Tarzan you Jane!"   [sm=mrpuffy.gif]







enigmabrat -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 2:31:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterhyyde

I have a friend who I consider vanilla although she claims to have been active in the lifestyle around 25 years ago.  And she seems to not be able to grasp the concept behind a master/slave or even a dom/sub relationship.

Any ideas on a fast simple answer for her?  I feel like I am just slamming my head into a wall everytime she says something about it.



Spank her [:D]




LeatherBentOne -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 2:54:46 AM)

Why is it so important to you that your vanilla friend understand the concept?  Why do you feel so compelled to beat a "dead horse?"  Is there something inside you that needs validation?  Or permission?  Or acceptance?  Actually, your post says more to me than your friend's inability or unwillingness to understand your lifestyle.  Think about it.

LeatherBentOne




AnAtlantaDom -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 4:09:32 AM)

There might be some help, on a serious level, in these previous posts:
 
My advice for Novice Female Submissives

Newbie!

At a loss

I'm a new domme seeking advice

Does a slave also have to be a fool?

sub: totally new concept

Questions for other newbies

The Journey

Starting Out

New to the Life, Help

How to deal?

Request for Advice

Advice please: Relationships, bdsm, love and boundaries

First time sub seeking you advice- how to find the right master?

First time sub seeking advice

a newbie seeking advice

How can I be a great sub?

Brand new life

Help needed

Emotional Rollercoaster

Welcoming newbies

New to this

Just a few questions

Do's and Dont's

Compliments of LuckyAlbatross

AD




darkinshadows -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 4:19:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterhyyde

I have a friend who I consider vanilla although she claims to have been active in the lifestyle around 25 years ago.  And she seems to not be able to grasp the concept behind a master/slave or even a dom/sub relationship.

Any ideas on a fast simple answer for her?  I feel like I am just slamming my head into a wall everytime she says something about it.

She considers herself active in BDSM.  Whether her 'grasp' on a ms or D/s relationship is the same as yours is in truth, none of your business unless you own her.  You are making assumptions for someone else who isnt your charge, and is disrespectful to your friend.  Agree to disagree.
 
Peace and Rapture




jennylynn -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 4:21:22 AM)

If she seems to want information, how about a book?




AnAtlantaDom -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 4:24:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jennylynn

If she seems to want information, how about a book?


For some good books try this link:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_542733/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#542733

AD




Jasmyn -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 5:21:12 AM)

Instead of telling her your definitions for a d/s or m/s exchange as her for her perspective.  What does she think it is?  and go from there




Lashra -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 6:04:50 AM)

Every relationship is different so what you may view D/s or M/s as she may not. I would say just agree to disagree and let it go at that unless she is pressing for information, then I'd suggest she read some books.

~Lashra




onestandingstill -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 6:26:51 AM)

It's like making someone who hates strawberries like strawberry shortcake. It's not going to happen. Maybe she did investigate it 25yrs ago. If so I'd venture to say she decided it did not work for her.
She does not need to understand why you like it for you to be her friend.
I'd say quit beating a dead horse & agree to disagree.
Suzanne




sub4hire -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 6:28:33 AM)

If she was involved 25 year's ago she has a better grasp on the lifestyle than you do.
So, I'd ask her to teach me.  Get her ideas.  Then do some research on your own to see if you have the right ideas and go from there.  Morph into a whole different individual in your way of thinking, one never knows.
Perhap's you have it right, though perhap's she does.  Then again there is the possibility she is lying.
Who knows?  Who cares?




mp072004 -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 7:06:47 AM)

Does she not understand why people do m/s or d/s relationships, or does she not understand how they work?

If she doesn't understand how inequal power works, explain that in most relationships, romantic and otherwise, power is distributed somewhat inequally. Usually, in a dyad (two-person relationship) one person emerges as more dominant than the other, even without arrangements of d/s. Tell her that a two-person d/s relationship is just an exaggerated and explicit version of this; the couple agrees that one partner gets to make more decisions than the other.

If she doesn't understand why people do them, that's a different matter. Getting her to empathize with the dominant part strikes me as easy--everyone has probably had a moment when they wished their partners would go along with their decisions, yes? Inducing empathy for the submissive part may be harder. Maybe you could note that most people have some occasion when they've been gratified exclusively by making another happy, and say that people who agree to submit tend to find that really, really gratifying.

Monica

Monica





MasterFireMaam -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 7:24:48 AM)

Does she have a hobby that you just don't get? While what you do might be more than a hobby, the premise is the same. The point that you make is that she might not EVER get it, as you won't ever get her hobby. If she's your friend, she'll understand that there are things that each of you do that the other just simply will not get. It doesn't mean you all have to like each other less, just be accepting.

Master Fire




liljoy -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 9:37:24 AM)

i have a friend that thinks she knows all about D/s. She offers me advice that i can't help but laugh at because she thinks it's just about submitting in the bedroom. i've tried to explain that it's different for me that i'm not submissive just in the bedroom and i don't think i would want it that way.

She tells me how wrong i am and i just shake my head and we agree to disagree




mnottertail -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/23/2006 9:39:10 AM)

To each their own, don't see how anybody is wrong here, find commonality.....discuss those things on which you agree, then it may be easier to find the center of that which you disagree.

Ron




wysiwygitsme -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/25/2006 3:51:29 AM)

Does she want to grasp the concept?  If she doesn't, there is nothing you can say, or do to make her "get it".
If she does, the book --- "When Someone You Know Is Kinky" has helped many of my friends "get it".




twicehappy -> RE: I need help with a vanilla friend (8/25/2006 4:21:05 AM)

Send her collarme's web addy.




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