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scarletrose -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 4:47:02 AM)

Thanks again...while we are on the subject of paddles another question came to mind and hope its ok to post on this same thread. What about thickness? Does different thicknesses leave a different "impression"? As you may can tell by now paddles fascinate me lol.




sting516 -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 4:55:49 AM)

all i can add to this is...ycch...paddles...especially the wooden ones...whenever someone asks what i like least....this is it....this would be the true punishment for me, should i have gotten out of line...not sure why...i just know that i hate the wooden paddle with a passion....not that anyone asked.


sting




dixiedumpling -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 11:07:35 AM)

All I can give is personal experience; a scientist, I ain't.

Limber "instruments" have more sting, more whip. Longer "insturments" hurt more, also. Another physics principal, I'm sure.. something about the end going faster than the center. Ping pong paddles have a thuddier feel, less intense, say, than a leather slapper or a long wooden fraternity paddle.




Kinkypupper -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 11:28:58 AM)

FASTER swing less air resistance more "sharp" slap when struck




proudsub -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 1:43:55 PM)

quote:

Limber "instruments" have more sting, more whip. Longer "insturments" hurt more, also. Another physics principal, I'm sure.. something about the end going faster than the center.


Same principle as for golf clubs which makes the ball go farther using longer clubs with the same swing.




scarletrose -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 5:37:48 PM)

Apologizes for incorrectly posting, it won't happen again.




LordODiscipline -> RE: curious (12/31/2004 5:44:52 PM)

F=MA

Force = Mass times acceleration

Understanding that the experience of pain is entirely subjective (different for every person although common throughout humanity), and discounting (for the moment) issues suchn as windage and gravitational force, you can assume that as the mass of the device being used is increased, the force of the impact (if the acceleration of the swing is constant) is increased as well.

ALso, as the acceleration of the device is increased (if the mass remains constant) the force of the impact is increased.

Second part - same boring issue as the first - mathmatics and physics.

Archimedes once said that if he was given a large enough lever he would "move the world".

A lever is a 'simple machine' that utilizes a fulcrum (or, balancing point) to allow force to be allplied on one side, and (therefore) move something on the other side.... a good simple exxample is a 'teeter toter' that we all used to play with as children (and, it is MY TURN!)

If you imagine that the wrist of the person striking as the center point (fulcrum) on the teeter toter and the paddle/whip/implement being the 'board' you can realize that

1. The longer the device the further the travel and the greater the force has to be to make it 'go' - this is compounded in the swing (same mass - as the implement is not changing, but the acceleration has to be greater to break the initial static [still or at rest] condition of the implement in order to 'get it ta going') ; and,

2. The wrist's action (after the breaking the inertia of being still) shows that the length of the end piece (handle portion that extends beyond the end of the hand) is very short - so the ultimate force being applied is increased.

A third thing to consider (HEY YOU ASKED FOR THIS!):

Is the cross sectional impact area on the device that is being used. the smaller the end (consider the end of a whip vs. a flogger (all the flays) and/or the end of a paddle vs. the end of a cane.

if (as we recall) F=MxA, we might also consider that "Force" is a measurement of energy..... so, if a mass has an acceleration applied to it, there is a certain amount of energy that has to be involved.

When the paddle impacts on a hind side (as a pleasurable thought), that energy is being displaced to the ass cheek in the form of noise, absorbtion by the body, and impact waves (air impact wave).

Since we know that the mass and acceleration and the force are all constat in this, the force being ikmparted to the ass is being done across the the area that the paddle has on the face of it.

If you could guarantee the same same force (energy) that would more than likely mean an increased acceleration as a cane of similar mass would be quite large in most generic instances.

As anyone who has been hit with a cane shall attest (this is not guess work), the smaller impact area of the cane requires (in many instances and with many people) a lighter touch (or, swing) - and, to all you heavy masochists: I am not talking about you at the moment - but, talk to me later ;)

The smaller head of the cane delivers a force over a smaller area and therefore a greater impact is felt.

OK - for further reading, the Library of Congress recommends the follwoing (this is physics for the hardcore coming your way):

Do a google for: Goriely-Mcmillen-02(whip).pdf

and, the following:
http://www.necc.mass.edu/MRVIS/MR3_13/start.htm
http://www.thehaca.com/spotlight/GTA/motions_and_impacts.htm

If you made it this far, congratulations - and, time to see the doctor

~J


OK - I am backing out now as my brain is damaged -





Nvernilla -> RE: curious- paddle question (12/31/2004 11:58:00 PM)

With holes its easier and faster to swing. Everyone has there preference I'm sure. The only time I was ever paddled the teacher was fired for it so I really have no experience with how it feels. I knew how he felt in the unemployment line lol...Mike




paddlemeharder -> RE: curious (2/27/2008 3:49:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityFix

It's an old misconception that holes cut down in wind resistance-air resistance is very marginal in terms of impact.

What actually happens is that the edges of the holes bite into the skin, and stretch it, as they impact. This also results in more marking and pain.

A paddle with grooves in it has the same effect,and they aren't holes,just differences in surface hieghts.


Where can one find a paddle with grooves?  I found one on the net (Huse company) but they stopped making wood products...




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: curious (2/27/2008 5:23:57 PM)

FR

I prefer a paddle with holes - more sting.

A thicker paddle will be more of a thud feeling. This thud feeling goes deeper, travelling through the body. The sting of the paddle, especially one with holes, affects mostly the skin urface. For me the sting is more painful than the thud. However, the thud travels directly to that part which gets wet.





LPslittleclip -> RE: curious (2/27/2008 6:41:16 PM)

i recently just got to the level of being paddled and the ones with holes do hurt more and leave better marks. i still have them now mine didnt show the holes on the bruises but theres always next time!
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MaamJay -> RE: curious (2/29/2008 7:58:03 AM)

I have a lovely black leather paddle with metal studs, I call it Mr Studley. I love to show him to subbies who are in paddling position, and ask them to predict which side will hurt more ... the studded side, or the flat leather side. They almost all nominate the studded side ... usually with a shudder!

Fellow paddle devotees ... are they right or wrong? Let's take a vote! And to our physicist friend ... as a biologist I have an explanation but would love to hear from you!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




Hotch -> RE: curious (2/29/2008 9:00:41 AM)

This all sounds like theory and speculation to me...  I suggest we get down to some serious scientific observation to test the hypothesis.




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