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pro dom question - 8/8/2006 8:34:17 AM

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Just wondering, anyone know anyone who is a pro dom, I am not gay, I just have a question like what does that entail and how they got to be one?

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 9:12:57 AM

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I have a friend who has been a pro domme for 15+ years. I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to ask by asking "what does that entail". Please be more specific. My friend entered the business because 1) she's a business woman and she knew that it was lucrative and 2) it was a business she'd enjoy.

What does you being gay/straight/bi have to do with this question?

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 9:37:12 AM

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I believe he wanted info on male D's

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 9:37:16 AM

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Did you mean a pro-dom (male dom) as opposed to a female pro-domme?

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 9:42:34 AM

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Master Fire, he's asking specifically about straight male professional tops/doms ...

Mercmjm ... the few men I have known who have worked in a professional capacity have associated themselves with an established commercial dungeon ...some will question, is there a need for professional straight male tops/doms ... there is...but your age will be a huge hinderance ...sorry to say... but it will ... unless you have something exceptional to offer ... in terms of skill, understanding the submissive mindset, are ethical, and can top without getting ya dick wet.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 10:23:14 AM

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I would think that if you're not willing to top males, there isn't much of a viable market for a male pro dominant. Females, be they top or bottom, tend to be in very high demand so there's really no need for them to pay for play.

Males, on the other hand, have a harder time finding play partners (some males more than others) and in general are more willing to pay for play.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 10:29:55 AM

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Females, be they top or bottom, tend to be in very high demand so there's really no need for them to pay for play.

Yup.. One of the really nice things about being a female :)

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 10:33:12 AM

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Females, be they top or bottom, tend to be in very high demand so there's really no need for them to pay for play

As a pro (fem) dom ... I have seen a number of submissive women who are more than willing to pay for it ... who see a Mistress because of the sheer lack of quality male professional tops available ...

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 10:36:03 AM

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And pay I will add, for generally the exact same reasons male clients do ... lack of opportunity/dominant partner, safer than meeting an unknown quainty, to have an experience, to explore a side of themselves they aren't ready to show a partner/lover, to get a need met.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 11:34:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: MdmSarah

I would think that if you're not willing to top males, there isn't much of a viable market for a male pro dominant. Females, be they top or bottom, tend to be in very high demand so there's really no need for them to pay for play.

Males, on the other hand, have a harder time finding play partners (some males more than others) and in general are more willing to pay for play.

ding ding ding . giove this girl a prize . she hit it right on the head . I havebeen looking into the business aspect myself for sometime now . women rarely if ever pay to play ... men on the other hand will pay a great prtice to have a Domme play with them ...

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 11:43:31 AM

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And pay I will add, for generally the exact same reasons male clients do ... lack of opportunity/dominant partner, safer than meeting an unknown quainty, to have an experience, to explore a side of themselves they aren't ready to show a partner/lover, to get a need met.

I am sure there are some BUT is it enough business for a male pro dominant who only wants to see female submissives to keep a business alive? I would imagine the infrequency of female-only clients would not justify the output in equipment, advertising, etc.

There are times that I'd actually consider seeing a pro male submissive IF there were actually qualified ones around, but certainly not often enough to keep one in business.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 11:52:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mercmjm

Just wondering, anyone know anyone who is a pro dom, I am not gay, I just have a question like what does that entail and how they got to be one?

Dear merc.... and all....

I like your naive question, actually.

#1. I have no idea about the specifics of your question

#2. I have been a businessman most all my adult life,
and if there's one thing I know for sure, it is that
great marketing and a brilliant marketing message
can build a damn fine business around the most ludicrous concepts.

#3. Pro Dom in not ludicrous at all.

#4. Your age is not a barrier, but your naivety is (ie, what does that entail?).

#5. You say you are not gay, but being a Dom has little to do
with where you put your cock, in my opinion.
Besides, bossing around sissies is a real trip.
Expand, my boy, expand.

#6. Are you really serious? Or just wanking around?

I don't think it would be hard at all
to create a Prodom business,
but it would be an aesthetic nightmare,
and one most people would tire of quickly, imho.

I was a tennis pro for 7 years at my own club,
and when we sold the club, I didn't touch a tennis racket
for the next 14 years...... you get my drift here....?

Here's a simple 1-2-3

1. Write a really good book on the glorious satisfactions
of submitting to a pro-dom. Not self promotion,
as everyone will see thru that. A real book with real meat.
Get some really cool pics of sexy bods in your punishment room.
Make sure the pics are both titillating, and yet publishable
in a daily newspaper.

2. Self publish it on the internet, and sell it thru google adwords.

3. Get somebody who knows how to write press releases.

4. Send copies to all the evangelical leaders in america,
and if a half dozen denounce you, you've got it made.

5. Send review copies to all the book reviewers in america
(that list will cost about $2k)

6. After you have sold 2-3k copies at $29.95 for the digital download,
get a literary agent. Have that agent work the major publishers.

7. Montel will love you.

8. Springer will love you.

9. Talk radio will hate you, which will work even better.

10. Pray every day that James Dobson will denounce you.
Pray long and hard.... for your career depends on it.

11. Make friends with National Enquirer reporters.
Get yourself a really good Condoliza Rice look-alike.
Tie her in chains and drip hot wax all over her.
Get some cool pics .... of the wax all over those droopy tits of hers

The headline will write itself....

World Exclusive:
Secretary Rice Denies Bondage Rumors,
Experts Say It May Be A Body Double, Shocking Pictures Remain
details inside page 44

12.. Tell Oprah's people that flogging is the newest weight loss craze.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 11:52:56 AM

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I think another reason that limits professional male domination are that a male could be easily accused of assault by a dissatisfied customer. Even if he tells them the woman PAID him to do the things to her.. I wonder what kind of hoops they would have him jump through before they believed him.

While a woman can do this business and have it understood that guys pay for it.. a male would be met with "yeah.. right....- Hands against the wall, buddy!"

OP- I think it would be more trouble than it would be worth for you :/

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 11:56:51 AM

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quote:

Jasmyn said (wisely): And pay I will add, for generally the exact same reasons male clients do ... lack of opportunity/dominant partner, safer than meeting an unknown quainty, to have an experience, to explore a side of themselves they aren't ready to show a partner/lover, to get a need met.

You forgot one of the main reasons that people pay for companionship: You pay a pro to go away when you are done.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 12:04:25 PM

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Emperor... absolutely in some cases that is exactly what people want ... and some of the women I have dommed in a professional sense were looking for very much that ... doesn't mean they want you to go away forever... I tell my mechanic to bugger off all the time :P but my car has needs that I can't meet ...

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 12:06:45 PM

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Y'know DoctorD, I usually don't agree with a word you write, and tend to read your posts on fast forward, but you might have, in this one post, captured the entire ethos of the modern "business school" mystique. This might be brilliant. Then again my brain might be fried from writing and editing an 80 page LLC charter. Or both?

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2. I have been a businessman most all my adult life,
and if there's one thing I know for sure, it is that
great marketing and a brilliant marketing message
can build a damn fine business around the most ludicrous concepts.

Not really, he says while sipping his $4.25 cup of coffee from that Chain that dare not speak its Name. And where IS my pet rock, anyway?

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 12:16:31 PM

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I am sure there are some BUT is it enough business for a male pro dominant who only wants to see female submissives to keep a business alive? I would imagine the infrequency of female-only clients would not justify the output in equipment, advertising, etc.

There are times that I'd actually consider seeing a pro male submissive IF there were actually qualified ones around, but certainly not often enough to keep one in business.

That's something the male thinking of doing this would need to address for themselves ... are they doing it because they think it will make them a quick buck, easy money ... or are they doing it because they genuinely feel they have skills of merit and experience to offer ... there are also so many other ways to look at a market ...couples, two girls.. tutoring, seminars...it depends entirely how passionate someone is about what they want to do ... those who think it will make them a quick buck, it might, but then again it might not ...maybe be a 'kinky escort' (probably want a better title than that lol) than a professional male dominant ... but nevermind me, I'm an optimist, times are changing, women need to be given some credit as consumers of sex and erotica, there are a lot of women who would happily pay for the experience ...me, I brought my first man when I was 19.. enjoyed the power trip ...

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 12:42:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: MdmSarah

Females, be they top or bottom, tend to be in very high demand so there's really no need for them to pay for play.

Hey all.........

You guys ever heard of Heidi Fleiss?
Famous Hollywood Madame, busted some years ago.
She has a ranch in the Nevada desert, and it's very successful.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10313009/site/newsweek/

It's bunk to say that women won't pay for
high quality services that they don't get at home.
But ... you have to deliver!

But you know,
the buzz around women's sexuality
is really out there....
Google "Heading South movie review"
for a Charolotte Rampling movie about sex and older women
and sweet young black men in Haiti.....

Here's Stephanie Zacharek, my second-favorite movie critic
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2006/07/07/heading_south/index_np.html

Here's Stephen Holden, who is no AO Scott,
but a decent reviewer at the NYT

http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/movies/07sout.html

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Look, women want sex.
Women want vivid experiences.
Women (many of them) have money.
There is a serious shortage of great men,
(add up the gays, the nuts, and the early deaths of men)

Some women, more than you might ever guess,
want great... no strings attached.... physical experiences.

It's just a banal cliche to say that
women would not flock to a really brilliant ProDom
who had good marketing, and delivered on his promises.

I think he, and his staff of 40,
would be exhausted every night at closing time.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 12:54:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I think another reason that limits professional male domination are that a male could be easily accused of assault by a dissatisfied customer. Even if he tells them the woman PAID him to do the things to her.. I wonder what kind of hoops they would have him jump through before they believed him.

While a woman can do this business and have it understood that guys pay for it.. a male would be met with "yeah.. right....- Hands against the wall, buddy!"

OP- I think it would be more trouble than it would be worth for you :/

Dear LotusSong, ... and all...

That one's easy, you can solve it for a grand.
Here's how I did it in the "hypnosis for weight loss" business.

#1. Everybody signs rock-solid releases, for the session and for #2 and #3.
#2. All sessions are video taped. Save the videos on hard drive for 7 years.
#3. Sell the videos to the clients(their own sessions)
for an extra hundred bucks or two.

But, Lotussong is totally right...
OP- I think it would be more trouble than it would be worth for you :/

This is just a silly fantasy,
the gritty reality would make grim, grinding, repetitive work
and take away the very special charms of BDSM in under a month.

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RE: pro dom question - 8/8/2006 2:32:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn
As a pro (fem) dom ... I have seen a number of submissive women who are more than willing to pay for it ... who see a Mistress because of the sheer lack of quality male professional tops available ...

A very good point. Truth is however that most people (male or female) will accept the lowest possible quality for free, before they will pay a penny for the highest quality possible.

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