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Musicmystery -> Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 11:00:53 AM)
From the Wall St. Journal: Instead of penalizing retirement saving, lawmakers should be making it easier to set money aside The lucky participants in one of the best retirement plans around are coming after yours with a meat cleaver. In the early stages of negotiating tax reform, Congress is already considering whether to reduce the benefits of contributing to a 401(k) and similar retirement plans -- even as U.S. representatives and senators bask in the safety of the pension system that taxpayers fully fund for federal employees. Alongside several million U.S. government workers, members of Congress participate in the Federal Employees Retirement System, which wraps their current savings and future pensions in a cushion of comfort that most American workers can only dream of. Only about 13% of employees nationwide are covered by both a 401(k) and a traditional pension that assures stable, lifelong income, according to the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College; all 535 members of Congress are. In 2015, the average taxpayer-funded annual pension received by recently retired members of Congress was $41,316. A representative or senator retiring in 2014 after 30 years in Congress would earn an annuity of roughly $104,600 to $130,500, according to the Congressional Research Service. Retirement savers in the private workforce pay outlandish management fees that can exceed 1% annually on lousy investment choices; members of Congress pay a maximum of 0.039% for funds that all but guarantee matching the market. Those expenses on a $10,000 investment can easily eat up at least $100 a year for regular retirement savers; fees on the same amount in a U.S. representative or senator’s account can’t exceed $3.90. Fewer than one in 10 corporate retirement plans match 5% of employees’ contributions dollar-for-dollar, according to the Plan Sponsor Council of America. Every member of Congress gets that match -- funded by the taxpayers. Even if a member of Congress won’t set aside any of his or her own money, the public automatically contributes an amount equaling 1% of that legislator’s salary to the federal retirement fund. Nearly all members of Congress earn $174,000 annually. A reliable retirement is “a four-legged stool,” says David Kabiller, co-founder of AQR Capital Management in Greenwich, Conn., and co-author of a recent article on how to design retirement programs. Those four legs are a traditional pension, a 401(k)-type plan, Social Security and supplemental savings in taxable accounts. “Eliminate or restrict any of those,” he says, “and you make achieving a secure retirement more challenging.” Yet that is what Congress, perched securely on its taxpayer-funded four-legged stool, is considering for the rest of us. In the next round of tax reform, “it’s not really a question of whether retirement plans will get a haircut, but of how much,” says Bradford Campbell, a partner in the law firm of Drinker Biddle & Reath in Washington, D.C., who served as assistant Secretary of Labor under Pres. George W. Bush. That’s because the money you contribute to 401(k)s and several other types of retirement plans isn’t subject to current income tax. Nor are your future earnings on those accounts -- until you take them out to live on in retirement, when your withdrawals will be taxed as ordinary income. If your retirement dollars were treated, instead, like contributions to a Roth Individual Retirement Account or Roth 401(k), they would be taxed before you put them in. You could ultimately withdraw the money tax-free in retirement, but the incentive of getting an upfront tax break would be gone. Taxing retirement-plan contributions Roth-style would generate roughly $1.5 trillion over the next decade the way the government reckons the numbers, estimates Mr. Campbell. So giant a pot of honey may be hard for Congress not to raid. “We definitely need comprehensive tax reform,” says Mr. Campbell. Unfortunately, when lost revenue has to be replaced, “it’s a game of winners and losers, and the retirement system is poised to be one of the losers.” It’s hard for most people to save for a goal that glimmers faintly decades in the future. Take away the tax incentive, and many savers might no longer see the point of even trying. Fully 39% of Americans don’t feel very confident in their ability to fund a comfortable retirement, according to a recent survey. It’s safe to say none of those worried folks are members of Congress. Instead of penalizing retirement saving, lawmakers should be making it easier, perhaps even mandatory -- as it is for members of Congress. For workers struggling to set money aside, says Mr. Kabiller, “mandatory savings could help impose the discipline of giving up compensation today in order to fund your longevity down the road.” At a bare minimum, if Congress is going to hack away some of the tax advantages of private retirement plans, it should make matching cuts to the cushy federal system. Read more: https://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/04/21/grab-your-pitchfork-america-your-401k-may-need-defending-from-congress/

Real0ne -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 11:14:12 AM)
with inflation doubling every 10 years, which means every 10 years you need to double your money just to break even whats not to be confident about? The guy who bought a home in frisco for 10g in 1950 now has to pay over 10g/year in taxes, whats not to be confident about? I have the utmost cofidence we will continue to get fucked as long as we have our loving alrtuistic commercial mobocracy running the show

Termyn8or -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 12:55:10 PM)
Preaching to the choir. If you work, vote yourself lower wages and less benefits. They will not do it anymore than you would. Once they got it they intend to keep it. If you take all of congress' salaries and the President, it is really a drop in the bucket. But if you also consider all the retirement benefits, which includes better medical than almost anyone can afford, it starts to add up. Not to mention protection. The President gets SS protection for life as does his immediate family. People bitch about the cost of protecting Trump's building because he wants to weekend there but ignore all this other expense. Most members of congress do not even need their salary. They have alot of millionaires, and now are able to do inside trading legally. I almost want to say to not pay them anything but that would fix nothing. The same type of people would be attracted to these jobs, if you can call them jobs. T^T

thompsonx -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 1:50:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: Real0ne ]with inflation doubling every 10 years, which means every 10 years you need to double your money just to break even whats not to be confident about? The guy who bought a home in frisco for 10g in 1950 now has to pay over 10g/year in taxes, whats not to be confident about? Not true dumbass. Prop 13 is what you want to google. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Real0ne -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 4:18:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Instead of penalizing retirement saving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Vu6u0lRyI this one is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiALo0PV5mY people are getting filthy rich and it aint you and me.

thompsonx -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 6:17:32 PM)
ORIGINAL: Real0ne people are getting filthy rich and it aint you and me. I am not filthy...let's just say comfortably dirty.[;)]

AtUrCervix -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 6:28:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery From the Wall St. Journal: Instead of penalizing retirement saving, lawmakers should be making it easier to set money aside The lucky participants in one of the best retirement plans around are coming after yours with a meat cleaver. In the early stages of negotiating tax reform, Congress is already considering whether to reduce the benefits of contributing to a 401(k) and similar retirement plans -- even as U.S. representatives and senators bask in the safety of the pension system that taxpayers fully fund for federal employees. Alongside several million U.S. government workers, members of Congress participate in the Federal Employees Retirement System, which wraps their current savings and future pensions in a cushion of comfort that most American workers can only dream of. Only about 13% of employees nationwide are covered by both a 401(k) and a traditional pension that assures stable, lifelong income, according to the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College; all 535 members of Congress are. In 2015, the average taxpayer-funded annual pension received by recently retired members of Congress was $41,316. A representative or senator retiring in 2014 after 30 years in Congress would earn an annuity of roughly $104,600 to $130,500, according to the Congressional Research Service. Retirement savers in the private workforce pay outlandish management fees that can exceed 1% annually on lousy investment choices; members of Congress pay a maximum of 0.039% for funds that all but guarantee matching the market. Those expenses on a $10,000 investment can easily eat up at least $100 a year for regular retirement savers; fees on the same amount in a U.S. representative or senator’s account can’t exceed $3.90. Fewer than one in 10 corporate retirement plans match 5% of employees’ contributions dollar-for-dollar, according to the Plan Sponsor Council of America. Every member of Congress gets that match -- funded by the taxpayers. Even if a member of Congress won’t set aside any of his or her own money, the public automatically contributes an amount equaling 1% of that legislator’s salary to the federal retirement fund. Nearly all members of Congress earn $174,000 annually. A reliable retirement is “a four-legged stool,” says David Kabiller, co-founder of AQR Capital Management in Greenwich, Conn., and co-author of a recent article on how to design retirement programs. Those four legs are a traditional pension, a 401(k)-type plan, Social Security and supplemental savings in taxable accounts. “Eliminate or restrict any of those,” he says, “and you make achieving a secure retirement more challenging.” Yet that is what Congress, perched securely on its taxpayer-funded four-legged stool, is considering for the rest of us. In the next round of tax reform, “it’s not really a question of whether retirement plans will get a haircut, but of how much,” says Bradford Campbell, a partner in the law firm of Drinker Biddle & Reath in Washington, D.C., who served as assistant Secretary of Labor under Pres. George W. Bush. That’s because the money you contribute to 401(k)s and several other types of retirement plans isn’t subject to current income tax. Nor are your future earnings on those accounts -- until you take them out to live on in retirement, when your withdrawals will be taxed as ordinary income. If your retirement dollars were treated, instead, like contributions to a Roth Individual Retirement Account or Roth 401(k), they would be taxed before you put them in. You could ultimately withdraw the money tax-free in retirement, but the incentive of getting an upfront tax break would be gone. Taxing retirement-plan contributions Roth-style would generate roughly $1.5 trillion over the next decade the way the government reckons the numbers, estimates Mr. Campbell. So giant a pot of honey may be hard for Congress not to raid. “We definitely need comprehensive tax reform,” says Mr. Campbell. Unfortunately, when lost revenue has to be replaced, “it’s a game of winners and losers, and the retirement system is poised to be one of the losers.” It’s hard for most people to save for a goal that glimmers faintly decades in the future. Take away the tax incentive, and many savers might no longer see the point of even trying. Fully 39% of Americans don’t feel very confident in their ability to fund a comfortable retirement, according to a recent survey. It’s safe to say none of those worried folks are members of Congress. Instead of penalizing retirement saving, lawmakers should be making it easier, perhaps even mandatory -- as it is for members of Congress. For workers struggling to set money aside, says Mr. Kabiller, “mandatory savings could help impose the discipline of giving up compensation today in order to fund your longevity down the road.” At a bare minimum, if Congress is going to hack away some of the tax advantages of private retirement plans, it should make matching cuts to the cushy federal system. Read more: https://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/04/21/grab-your-pitchfork-america-your-401k-may-need-defending-from-congress/ Dude (MM) is flawless as to his points...problem is...he's preaching to the choir....we all believe this shit. Guess who the problem is? It ain't our legislators (well...actually...it is)...it's us. Perot said it clearly (and anyone that didn't vote for the guy....guess what....here ya are). Every gawdamn point MM made is on point but......WE'RE still the assholes because WE keep electing these fucks. Every election has an opportunity......I don't vote (that's known here...ehhh)...I did....I don't (sue me)...there are some excellent choices (I won't spell them out...mine likely differ from yours)...I'm not convinced....after 1992....that we actually *can* make an actual difference (I'd like to believe otherwise but...I'm no longer 27). (What the fuck do I know?).

Real0ne -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/21/2017 9:38:13 PM)
and THIS GUY did more for this country than 150 years of politicians

Musicmystery -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/22/2017 9:57:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery From the Wall St. Journal: Instead of penalizing retirement saving, lawmakers should be making it easier to set money aside The lucky participants in one of the best retirement plans around are coming after yours with a meat cleaver. In the early stages of negotiating tax reform, Congress is already considering whether to reduce the benefits of contributing to a 401(k) and similar retirement plans -- even as U.S. representatives and senators bask in the safety of the pension system that taxpayers fully fund for federal employees. Alongside several million U.S. government workers, members of Congress participate in the Federal Employees Retirement System, which wraps their current savings and future pensions in a cushion of comfort that most American workers can only dream of. Only about 13% of employees nationwide are covered by both a 401(k) and a traditional pension that assures stable, lifelong income, according to the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College; all 535 members of Congress are. In 2015, the average taxpayer-funded annual pension received by recently retired members of Congress was $41,316. A representative or senator retiring in 2014 after 30 years in Congress would earn an annuity of roughly $104,600 to $130,500, according to the Congressional Research Service. Retirement savers in the private workforce pay outlandish management fees that can exceed 1% annually on lousy investment choices; members of Congress pay a maximum of 0.039% for funds that all but guarantee matching the market. Those expenses on a $10,000 investment can easily eat up at least $100 a year for regular retirement savers; fees on the same amount in a U.S. representative or senator’s account can’t exceed $3.90. Fewer than one in 10 corporate retirement plans match 5% of employees’ contributions dollar-for-dollar, according to the Plan Sponsor Council of America. Every member of Congress gets that match -- funded by the taxpayers. Even if a member of Congress won’t set aside any of his or her own money, the public automatically contributes an amount equaling 1% of that legislator’s salary to the federal retirement fund. Nearly all members of Congress earn $174,000 annually. A reliable retirement is “a four-legged stool,” says David Kabiller, co-founder of AQR Capital Management in Greenwich, Conn., and co-author of a recent article on how to design retirement programs. Those four legs are a traditional pension, a 401(k)-type plan, Social Security and supplemental savings in taxable accounts. “Eliminate or restrict any of those,” he says, “and you make achieving a secure retirement more challenging.” Yet that is what Congress, perched securely on its taxpayer-funded four-legged stool, is considering for the rest of us. In the next round of tax reform, “it’s not really a question of whether retirement plans will get a haircut, but of how much,” says Bradford Campbell, a partner in the law firm of Drinker Biddle & Reath in Washington, D.C., who served as assistant Secretary of Labor under Pres. George W. Bush. That’s because the money you contribute to 401(k)s and several other types of retirement plans isn’t subject to current income tax. Nor are your future earnings on those accounts -- until you take them out to live on in retirement, when your withdrawals will be taxed as ordinary income. If your retirement dollars were treated, instead, like contributions to a Roth Individual Retirement Account or Roth 401(k), they would be taxed before you put them in. You could ultimately withdraw the money tax-free in retirement, but the incentive of getting an upfront tax break would be gone. Taxing retirement-plan contributions Roth-style would generate roughly $1.5 trillion over the next decade the way the government reckons the numbers, estimates Mr. Campbell. So giant a pot of honey may be hard for Congress not to raid. “We definitely need comprehensive tax reform,” says Mr. Campbell. Unfortunately, when lost revenue has to be replaced, “it’s a game of winners and losers, and the retirement system is poised to be one of the losers.” It’s hard for most people to save for a goal that glimmers faintly decades in the future. Take away the tax incentive, and many savers might no longer see the point of even trying. Fully 39% of Americans don’t feel very confident in their ability to fund a comfortable retirement, according to a recent survey. It’s safe to say none of those worried folks are members of Congress. Instead of penalizing retirement saving, lawmakers should be making it easier, perhaps even mandatory -- as it is for members of Congress. For workers struggling to set money aside, says Mr. Kabiller, “mandatory savings could help impose the discipline of giving up compensation today in order to fund your longevity down the road.” At a bare minimum, if Congress is going to hack away some of the tax advantages of private retirement plans, it should make matching cuts to the cushy federal system. Read more: https://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/04/21/grab-your-pitchfork-america-your-401k-may-need-defending-from-congress/ Dude (MM) is flawless as to his points...problem is...he's preaching to the choir....we all believe this shit. Guess who the problem is? It ain't our legislators (well...actually...it is)...it's us. Perot said it clearly (and anyone that didn't vote for the guy....guess what....here ya are). Every gawdamn point MM made is on point but......WE'RE still the assholes because WE keep electing these fucks. Every election has an opportunity......I don't vote (that's known here...ehhh)...I did....I don't (sue me)...there are some excellent choices (I won't spell them out...mine likely differ from yours)...I'm not convinced....after 1992....that we actually *can* make an actual difference (I'd like to believe otherwise but...I'm no longer 27). (What the fuck do I know?). Well, I didn't elect the "fucks" supporting this, and I'm working to help un-elect them.

Musicmystery -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/22/2017 4:24:02 PM)
It's actually one of the reasons I'm pro-third party. I don't expect them to sweep the White House or Congress, but if they could get enough of a foothold, denying the two "major" parties a clear majority, both sides would have to work with the third party to get anything done. In essence, a third party (or more) would force Dems and Reps to do what they've forgotten how to do--work together to solve problems.

Real0ne -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/22/2017 5:14:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery In essence, a third party (or more) would force Dems and Reps to do what they've forgotten how to do--work together to solve problems. Thanks for th ecookies warm milk and nice bedtime story but I aint tired. WTF are you talking about? with 62 million laws in this country you dont think that they are working together? The fact that you are alive violates some law, ask any 'good' atty what should be done as far as the ticket goes is anyone who starts to run should be on the ballot come election day

MrRodgers -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/22/2017 9:08:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Real0ne ]with inflation doubling every 10 years, which means every 10 years you need to double your money just to break even whats not to be confident about? The guy who bought a home in frisco for 10g in 1950 now has to pay over 10g/year in taxes, whats not to be confident about? Not true dumbass. Prop 13 is what you want to google. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Actually not to put too fine of a point on this, Article XIIIA of the Cal. Const. allows for a 2% per year limit on increases of real estate tax. So in the ensuing 40 years (as of fiscal 2018) it is quite possible and in fact quite likely that residential properties built at or around 1950 and even since then, are being taxed at or greater then $10,000/yr. Article XIIIA combines a 1% ceiling on the property tax rate with a 2% cap on annual increases in assessed valuations. The assessment limitation, however, is subject to the exception that new construction or a change of ownership triggers a reassessment up to current appraised value. HERE

Musicmystery -> RE: Congress to cut your 401(k) benefit while basking in its own pension system (4/23/2017 6:10:58 AM)
Also, inflation doubling money every ten years would mean an annual inflation rate of over 7%. It's not even a third of that.

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