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We don't say it's perfect.
But it's light-years better than any private health system.

That's your opinion, mind your own fucked up little backward island why don't you

So... no facts to backup your claim??
Thought not.

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Just look at the cost of US healthcare - it's ridiculous.
And, what's more, it is lower down the list of effective provisions.

Government got us here so the leftist answer = more government, naturally

The government keeps the greedy insurance companies rich.
Again, no evidence that your system is anywhere near as good as single-payer systems.

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No matter how you slice the cake, single-payer out-strips insurance-based systems on every front except cost to the individual.
It's a no-brainer.

Bullshit. There are more negatives than positives, one example being that every bureaucracy becomes politicized.

Ummm... Nope.
Is everyone in the US covered?? No.
Can everyone afford it?? No.
Are all the medical needs met?? No.

At least here, everyone is covered and with pre-existing conditions.
Healthcare is delivered free at the point of delivery.

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We have "leaks" now from national Security agencies meant to further the interests of the Democrat party, the IRS was used to attack conservatives, ATF was used to give military grade weapons to Mexican narcoterrorists to further Democrat party goals, why would we make the health care system another tool of the Democrat party to be used for political purposes

"Leak" Republican politicians' health records for political purposes etc. The Democrats are demonstrating that more government control means more Orwellian control, and any government bureaucracy WILL be weaponized for use against democracy

I've never understood the paranoia of Americans against government.
Most of that crap is just prejudice and rhetoric.
I've not seen any republican governments do any better either.
That's what elections are for.

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The GOP don't seem to have anything concrete up their sleeves.

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So why not scrap the whole insurance gamut and go single-payer?

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No middle class jobs means no middle class benefits... and that's what's wrong with US healthcare today.

The problem with US healthcare is the greedy insurance companies and big pharma ripping off the citizens - whatever class you're in.

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Damn - I just gave you concrete examples of Democrats using bureaucracies in highly unsavory ways for political gain, and those are just a few examples off of the top of my head that have been exposed. Even the left routinely accuses the American government of all kinds of evils throughout its history

Throw in the hundreds of millions who have been executed in the last century or so by their governments and denial of the reality, begins to look like a mental health issue on your part

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Thats why so many people have bankruptcies and die from lack of healthcare.
thats a special kind of different

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No middle class jobs means no middle class benefits... and that's what's wrong with US healthcare today.

The problem with US healthcare is the greedy insurance companies and big pharma ripping off the citizens - whatever class you're in.

dont fucking kid yourself anything the US gubblmint considers their 'interest' has been commercialized and is now and forever part of THEIR insider monopoly

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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Damn - I just gave you concrete examples of Democrats using bureaucracies in highly unsavory ways for political gain, and those are just a few examples off of the top of my head that have been exposed. Even the left routinely accuses the American government of all kinds of evils throughout its history

Throw in the hundreds of millions who have been executed in the last century or so by their governments and denial of the reality, begins to look like a mental health issue on your part

And I replied that the repub governments did no better.
I see very little difference between the two except for party colour.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Damn - I just gave you concrete examples of Democrats using bureaucracies in highly unsavory ways for political gain, and those are just a few examples off of the top of my head that have been exposed. Even the left routinely accuses the American government of all kinds of evils throughout its history

Throw in the hundreds of millions who have been executed in the last century or so by their governments and denial of the reality, begins to look like a mental health issue on your part

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Thats why so many people have bankruptcies and die from lack of healthcare.
thats a special kind of different

its because you cheer when christians and other religions have their religion stomped on and are forced by US commercial regulations to bake cakes for gays.

Well there is a price to pay for your stupidity. Enjoy the bed you made for yourselves. I sit back and laugh at you all.

Yes I am well aware you have no fucking clue how that could possibly apply!

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No middle class jobs means no middle class benefits... and that's what's wrong with US healthcare today.

The problem with US healthcare is the greedy insurance companies and big pharma ripping off the citizens - whatever class you're in.

dont fucking kid yourself anything the US gubblmint considers their 'interest' has been commercialized and is now and forever part of THEIR insider monopoly

Care to quote where the government actually run any of the insurance companies?
Or have any shares or interest (other than tax) in big pharma??

The only interest I can see is tax.
And this new PoS government are going to slash the tax rates.
Who is going to fill the 20% less not going into the coffers??

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the same goes for all gubmints created by brit colonists. brits actually have or at least on paper should have more rights than americans in the land of the free.

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Thats why so many people have bankruptcies and die from lack of healthcare.
thats a special kind of different

its because you cheer when christians and other religions have their religion stomped on and are forced by US commercial regulations to bake cakes for gays.

Well there is a price to pay for your stupidity. Enjoy the bed you made for yourselves. I sit back and laugh at you all.

Yes I am well aware you have no fucking clue how that could possibly apply!

well your post actually points out just fine why I rarely respond to your lunacy.
you have no clue what you are talking about.
fuck off

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the same goes for all gubmints created by brit colonists. brits actually have or at least on paper should have more rights than americans in the land of the free.

From what I experienced when I lived there, I'd say we do have more freedoms than you do, generally.

Perhaps you could explain a weird anomaly in the US green card lottery -
There are only 12 countries in the world who's citizens are excluded from the green card lottery.
Most are authoritarian run or at war with the US.
But the UK is included in that group of 12.
I've not seen any explanation for that anomaly.

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anything the gubmint has an interest in is immediately fully regulatable and a plethora of regulations follow with how things are to be done.

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as an example you will find city ordinances where you will be fined if your lawn is longer than 4"

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You will find procedural requirements that insure more gubmint intervention in the form of licensing and paying for review boards and permits and the list is unending, ALL of which drain your wallet needlessly and feeds the insiders.

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anything the gubmint has an interest in is immediately fully regulatable and a plethora of regulations follow with how things are to be done.

And so it should be.
Lack of regulation leads to anarchy.

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as an example you will find city ordinances where you will be fined if your lawn is longer than 4"

That would be the city because it's not a universal government law.
Blame those that run the city, not the government.

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You will find procedural requirements that insure more gubmint intervention in the form of licensing and paying for review boards and permits and the list is unending, ALL of which drain your wallet needlessly and feeds the insiders.

I fully agree with licensing and legislation.
That's why your gun crimes are so high - lack of legislation and enforcement.

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the same goes for all gubmints created by brit colonists. brits actually have or at least on paper should have more rights than americans in the land of the free.

From what I experienced when I lived there, I'd say we do have more freedoms than you do, generally.

Perhaps you could explain a weird anomaly in the US green card lottery -
There are only 12 countries in the world who's citizens are excluded from the green card lottery.
Most are authoritarian run or at war with the US.
But the UK is included in that group of 12.
I've not seen any explanation for that anomaly.

I have said that from the first posts I ever made on this board that brits have more rights than we do, because this is a country full of asshelmets and they have no clue of the water that runs silently deep!

I never heard of that green card what? got a link that sounds interesting :)

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Thats why so many people have bankruptcies and die from lack of healthcare.
thats a special kind of different

its because you cheer when christians and other religions have their religion stomped on and are forced by US commercial regulations to bake cakes for gays.

Well there is a price to pay for your stupidity. Enjoy the bed you made for yourselves. I sit back and laugh at you all.

Yes I am well aware you have no fucking clue how that could possibly apply!

well your post actually points out just fine why I rarely respond to your lunacy.
you have no clue what you are talking about.
fuck off

just the opposite lucy, its you have no clue that once a right is trespassed the dam breaks and a whole series of trespasses follow. But I enjoy laughing at the micro mindedness I see here.