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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

So maybe they need to have a learning experience that'll encourage them to consider their actions a bit more carefully in future.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

So maybe they need to have a learning experience that'll encourage them to consider their actions a bit more carefully in future.

The Democrats are having that, just a coastal party now

The Republicans haven't even taken the reigns yet, so all of your wild-eyed pontificating is just brain farts in the wind

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

I take your point. But setting aside the debate over "rights," some things are simply necessary components of a compassionate society, and we cannot treat those things as commodities. If you can't afford a coronary bypass, a nose-job that you can afford is not a substitute. So regardless of the political system, I don't see how the provision of health care to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm whose finances are inadequate to their needs can be viewed as anything but a necessity in a society that cares about its members.

K.
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
I take your point. But setting aside the debate over "rights," some things are simply necessary components of a compassionate society, and we cannot treat those things as commodities. If you can't afford a coronary bypass, a nose-job that you can afford is not a substitute. So regardless of the political system, I don't see how the provision of health care to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm whose finances are inadequate to their needs can be viewed as anything but a necessity in a society that cares about its members.
K.
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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"Healthcare Is Not a Human Right"

(and disagreement over that is another essential difference between the comrades and most of the rest of us)

Among the comrades:

"Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege," the pope said May 7 during a meeting with members, volunteers and supporters of Doctors with Africa, a medical mission begun by the Diocese of Padua, Italy, 65 years ago.

http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/health-care-is-a-right-not-a-privilege-pope-says.cfm


While numerous efforts have been made throughout
the 20th and early 21st centuries to provide universal health
care benefits, perhaps no organization or institution has
supported the issue as strongly as the Catholic Church.
First addressed by Pope John XXIII in the landmark
encyclical letter Pacem in Terris, health care is deemed
by the Church as a basic human right, along with life,
food, clothing and shelter. The Catechism of the Catholic
Church explains that the political community has a duty
to ensure the right to medical care (par. 2211), and further
states that the pursuit of the common good must include
health care in order to attain acceptable living conditions
(par. 2288). In fact, the Catholic Church has supported
efforts to provide universal health care coverage for at
least 90 years.

http://www.micatholic.org/assets/files/focus/focus_20100219-HealthCare.pdf

Just like food is a right, and shelter is a right, and clothing is a right, and access to prostitutes is a right, and Wifi is a right, and a cell phone is a right, and Internet access is a right

No one should ever have to provide anything for themselves, that what government is for

Say three fail Barrys and you may go

I take your point. But setting aside the debate over "rights," some things are simply necessary components of a compassionate society, and we cannot treat those things as commodities. If you can't afford a coronary bypass, a nose-job that you can afford is not a substitute. So regardless of the political system, I don't see how the provision of health care to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm whose finances are inadequate to their needs can be viewed as anything but a necessity in a society that cares about its members.

K.

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I take your point. But setting aside the debate over "rights," some things are simply necessary components of a compassionate society, and we cannot treat those things as commodities. If you can't afford a coronary bypass, a nose-job that you can afford is not a substitute. So regardless of the political system, I don't see how the provision of health care to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm whose finances are inadequate to their needs can be viewed as anything but a necessity in a society that cares about its members.

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im aware within the catholic church there are such positions,

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I'm one of those people who lost my medical coverage (that I liked), apparently forever, at this point due to ObummerCare. So, on this issue, at this point, I'm forced into a "who-gives-a-fat-rat's-ass" position.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

I take your point. But setting aside the debate over "rights," some things are simply necessary components of a compassionate society, and we cannot treat those things as commodities. If you can't afford a coronary bypass, a nose-job that you can afford is not a substitute. So regardless of the political system, I don't see how the provision of health care to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm whose finances are inadequate to their needs can be viewed as anything but a necessity in a society that cares about its members.

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Where does it end though. We have programs for the poor already that could have been tweaked. What we are seeing from the left are endless new vote buying programs that we as a nation cannot afford. MM has a thread, he just now discovered that we have massive debt - and that is Trumps fault, of course because these things are just tools to the left. There is no truth, the only thing that matters is power, and winning at politics. Has nothing (or very little to do with) helping average people. Hillary was all about Hillary, and she was a little too obvious about it to succeed. Making people dependent on handouts is extremely counterproductive, but that really seems to be the goal for many of these vote buying programs

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I'm one of those people who lost my medical coverage (that I liked), apparently forever, at this point due to ObummerCare. So, on this issue, at this point, I'm forced into a "who-gives-a-fat-rat's-ass" position.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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im aware within the catholic church there are such positions,

Isn't the official catechism a bit more than a position within the church?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I'm one of those people who lost my medical coverage (that I liked), apparently forever, at this point due to ObummerCare. So, on this issue, at this point, I'm forced into a "who-gives-a-fat-rat's-ass" position.

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

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I take your point. But setting aside the debate over "rights," some things are simply necessary components of a compassionate society, and we cannot treat those things as commodities. If you can't afford a coronary bypass, a nose-job that you can afford is not a substitute. So regardless of the political system, I don't see how the provision of health care to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm whose finances are inadequate to their needs can be viewed as anything but a necessity in a society that cares about its members.

Beautifully said, Kirata. Thank you.