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WhoreMods -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 11:59:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The bar at least for the right, has been lowered so far...how would we ever know ? Suffice it so say that with Trump we don't because he talks (tweets) so much...before he thinks. If Trump were another affirmative action Democrat president alt left drones' hearts would be aflutter as they hailed his use of social media as "historic" and proof that he was technologically savvy, trumpet him as an awesome communicator comparable to Reagan blah blah blah The "alt Left" who aren't quite as hard right as the mouth breathing shit who are actually behind him, you mean? The use of Reagan as a signifier for the "alt left" really does tell all that needs that to be told about your agenda, you sorry little fucktard.

WhoreMods -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 12:38:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The bar at least for the right, has been lowered so far...how would we ever know ? Suffice it so say that with Trump we don't because he talks (tweets) so much...before he thinks. If Trump were another affirmative action Democrat president alt left drones' hearts would be aflutter as they hailed his use of social media as "historic" and proof that he was technologically savvy, trumpet him as an awesome communicator comparable to Reagan blah blah blah If you mean nigger, say nigger.

BoscoX -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 1:34:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The bar at least for the right, has been lowered so far...how would we ever know ? Suffice it so say that with Trump we don't because he talks (tweets) so much...before he thinks. If Trump were another affirmative action Democrat president alt left drones' hearts would be aflutter as they hailed his use of social media as "historic" and proof that he was technologically savvy, trumpet him as an awesome communicator comparable to Reagan blah blah blah If you mean nigger, say nigger. I will leave such terms as that and faggot etc to you hysterical alt left fanatics I say what I mean, and what I mean is someone who was obviously not qualified, a Junior Senator with no experience elected solely because of the color of his skin. Anyone disagreeing with him or not fully supporting him was cast as a racist blah blah blah, ergo an affirmative action candidate / president. just like Hillary, she was "historic" blah blah blah

MrRodgers -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 2:56:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The bar at least for the right, has been lowered so far...how would we ever know ? Suffice it so say that with Trump we don't because he talks (tweets) so much...before he thinks. If Trump were another affirmative action Democrat president alt left drones' hearts would be aflutter as they hailed his use of social media as "historic" and proof that he was technologically savvy, trumpet him as an awesome communicator comparable to Reagan blah blah blah If you mean nigger, say nigger. If anything Trump is an affirmative action repub, and the second consecutive. He needed just like George II, the electoral college to get elected and like W, despite all of his obvious intellectual and social short-comings. As I've written in my last and newest OP, we are not to take seriously...what comes out of Trump's mouth. We are to just know what's in his heart.

BoscoX -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 3:44:42 PM)
With California giving a convicted murderer a taxpayer-funded sex change operation, they have no place having more say than other states who the national leader should be The system works perfectly And who doubts that if it had recently been working in favor of the alt left they would be lauding it as the most brilliant system imaginable As it is they are just no-class graceless losers

mnottertail -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 5:51:34 PM)
It doesnt matter he is a demonstrated liar, and has been demontrated false at the outset. I would imagine that most of the nutsuckers who are in prison for their airport bathroom prostitution are looking to be incarcerated in California.

cloudboy -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 7:16:56 PM)
He is very adept at blurring the line -- its been noted that lawyers deposing him can rarely pin him down as he always has either an explanation, back door, or rationalization for everything he claims. In ART OF THE DEAL he said that exaggerations are an art leading to a better negotiating position. His voters took his words as loose positions they could agree with in principle.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 7:24:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods A fine point. Possibly the cockwomble's "folksy retard" stance while campaigning is (like George II's was before him) an affectation that he's hoping will help him to claim ignorance rather than deceit when he's caught talking utter fucking nonsense in office? You'll have people making assumptions that he's lying when when he claims ignorance, and people making assumptions that he's telling the truth when he claims ignorance. The truth will likely lie somewhere in between. But, he isn't above being exposed as a liar, or as ignorant of the truth.

Musicmystery -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/10/2017 8:59:04 PM)
However you weigh it, clearly just because he says something doesn't mean that's how it's going to go.

tweakabelle -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 4:30:10 AM)
It was pretty clear during the election that Trump's words were being interpreted differently by different people. Those who liked him tended to discard the face value implications of his utterances. Those who disliked Trump took the words at face value and argued there was usually little or no truth there. In an odd way both are correct. Trump's words often contain little or no truth value and often are downright lies. This doesn't matter to his constituency who chose to believe the subliminal and often unmentionable meanings. They enjoyed Trump mentioning the unmentionable. However now that he is President-elect a dangerous situation is emerging. Like it or not the rest of the world will take POTUS's words at face value. Just as the Chinese chose to interpret Trump's phone call to Taipei as endangering the One China policy that has underwritten US-China relations since Kissinger and Nixon. Yes it was a phone call but it was also a lot more than a mere phone call. A POTUS's words and actions have implications that cannot be wished away. The world cannot afford a POTUS who cannot distinguish between truth/reality and the way he might like things to be, an imaginary reality. Neither can the USA though I suspect this lesson is about to be learnt the hard way.

WhoreMods -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 4:30:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You'll have people making assumptions that he's lying when when he claims ignorance, and people making assumptions that he's telling the truth when he claims ignorance. The truth will likely lie somewhere in between. Actually, it won't. Somebody either lies deliberately, or is misinformed. It's an either/or thing, rather than an indeterminate (and morally neutral) state of ambiguity. The spectacle of the Trumptooners spending the next four years insisting that the president elect isn't lying about this that or t'other, he's just too stupid to know any better should be pretty entertaining, though.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 8:55:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery However you weigh it, clearly just because he says something doesn't mean that's how it's going to go.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 8:58:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You'll have people making assumptions that he's lying when when he claims ignorance, and people making assumptions that he's telling the truth when he claims ignorance. The truth will likely lie somewhere in between. Actually, it won't. Somebody either lies deliberately, or is misinformed. It's an either/or thing, rather than an indeterminate (and morally neutral) state of ambiguity. The spectacle of the Trumptooners spending the next four years insisting that the president elect isn't lying about this that or t'other, he's just too stupid to know any better should be pretty entertaining, though. I stand by my assertion. I think you're looking at each individual utterance standing on it's own, while I'm looking at the larger body of whatever the fuck he's going to say next. One a case by case basis, yes, he's either lying or he's misinformed. Overall, I do believe there will be times when he's lying, and times when he's simply misinformed (which would be the "in between" state).

WhoreMods -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 9:04:35 AM)
If you're treating the tirades of drivel the presidential pisspot has spent most of the last year and a half spouting as a body of work in which individual fragments of nonsense assemble into a coherent whole (which I doubt that Putin's bitch does himself, but whatever: that's a whole other argument) how do you think the corpus stands at present, in terms of trends, means and modes? Would you say that he's spent more time lying through his teeth or being innocently mistaken?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 9:17:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods If you're treating the tirades of drivel the presidential pisspot has spent most of the last year and a half spouting as a body of work in which individual fragments of nonsense assemble into a coherent whole (which I doubt that Putin's bitch does himself, but whatever: that's a whole other argument) how do you think the corpus stands at present, in terms of trends, means and modes? Would you say that he's spent more time lying through his teeth or being innocently mistaken? Don't know. I spent most of the last year and a half ignoring the specifics of his utterances because there was only one way I could ever give him my vote (and that's if I was forced to vote for either him or Hillary, with no other options). I know there are times he's lied. It's been fleshed out on this board. But, I'm not going to make any guesses as to the mean, mode, or trend of his assertions.

cloudboy -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 9:19:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It was pretty clear during the election that Trump's words were being interpreted differently by different people. Those who liked him tended to discard the face value implications of his utterances. Those who disliked Trump took the words at face value and argued there was usually little or no truth there. In an odd way both are correct. Trump's words often contain little or no truth value and often are downright lies. This doesn't matter to his constituency who chose to believe the subliminal and often unmentionable meanings. They enjoyed Trump mentioning the unmentionable. However now that he is President-elect a dangerous situation is emerging. Like it or not the rest of the world will take POTUS's words at face value. Just as the Chinese chose to interpret Trump's phone call to Taipei as endangering the One China policy that has underwritten US-China relations since Kissinger and Nixon. Yes it was a phone call but it was also a lot more than a mere phone call. A POTUS's words and actions have implications that cannot be wished away. The world cannot afford a POTUS who cannot distinguish between truth/reality and the way he might like things to be, an imaginary reality. Neither can the USA though I suspect this lesson is about to be learnt the hard way. Well said. Imagine working underneath of him......

tamaka -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 9:30:07 AM)
If other world leaders are so shallow in their thinking that all they are capable of is interpreting things at face value, they shouldn't be in any kind of position of authority whatsoever.

WhoreMods -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 9:35:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods If you're treating the tirades of drivel the presidential pisspot has spent most of the last year and a half spouting as a body of work in which individual fragments of nonsense assemble into a coherent whole (which I doubt that Putin's bitch does himself, but whatever: that's a whole other argument) how do you think the corpus stands at present, in terms of trends, means and modes? Would you say that he's spent more time lying through his teeth or being innocently mistaken? Don't know. I spent most of the last year and a half ignoring the specifics of his utterances because there was only one way I could ever give him my vote (and that's if I was forced to vote for either him or Hillary, with no other options). I know there are times he's lied. It's been fleshed out on this board. But, I'm not going to make any guesses as to the mean, mode, or trend of his assertions. Oh, I see: you're deliberately reserving judgement on that issue because you don't want to have to admit that voting against Clinton wasn't a good idea?

Musicmystery -> RE: Does it matter whether Trump's claims are "false" or "lies"? (1/11/2017 1:27:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It was pretty clear during the election that Trump's words were being interpreted differently by different people. Those who liked him tended to discard the face value implications of his utterances. Those who disliked Trump took the words at face value and argued there was usually little or no truth there. In an odd way both are correct. Trump's words often contain little or no truth value and often are downright lies. This doesn't matter to his constituency who chose to believe the subliminal and often unmentionable meanings. They enjoyed Trump mentioning the unmentionable. However now that he is President-elect a dangerous situation is emerging. Like it or not the rest of the world will take POTUS's words at face value. Just as the Chinese chose to interpret Trump's phone call to Taipei as endangering the One China policy that has underwritten US-China relations since Kissinger and Nixon. Yes it was a phone call but it was also a lot more than a mere phone call. A POTUS's words and actions have implications that cannot be wished away. The world cannot afford a POTUS who cannot distinguish between truth/reality and the way he might like things to be, an imaginary reality. Neither can the USA though I suspect this lesson is about to be learnt the hard way. Well said. Imagine working underneath of him...... Whatever happened to caring about character?

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