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ORIGINAL: Awareness

No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

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I guess we're gonna see a lot of filibusters then.

In some crazy ways, since US is almost like one big continent with mini countries as states.

Some states can be deeply religious.


It kinda makes sense to let the states decide on abortion issue, and the fact that people can still abort in the next state that is not so religious, works out, to make everybody happy.

I mean, it's kinda a win-win.

Liberal states will never ban abortion. And then those hate that abortion is legal can move to the states where abortion is banned.

There is no one size fits all for America. And there will be a state for everybody and every type of beliefs.

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Trump also pledged to appoint judges who oppose abortion rights

I guess we're gonna see a lot of filibusters then.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

Sorry A, it's NOT your body to have that option with.

When you can carry another life inside you, you'll have that option.

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I cant work out his position I thought he was anti. Then reading up today on his latest rambling he says the decision has been made - was that by the supreme court and part of me thinks its not legal in some states....do you see why I am confused?

But he will throw the abortion thingy back down to states? I am sure he campaigned on anti abortion, and anti same sex marriages..."Traditional marriage" he said with the 3rd wife. Look I dont get easily confused but wtf is happening?

Abortion I dont believe in it, save in heinous circumstances, medical etc...and no i don believe in god(s).
I believe the women has the right. But I also believe the man should have a right because he becomes non-human in the equation - like the life soon to be extinguished. Which is why I normally avoid these type of posts.

The guy has flip-flopped on so many issues that it confused a LOT of people....many of which voted for him because at some point he said things that those people wanted to hear. I can't quote the source, due to having heard it from a third party, though they DID quote a source...but anyway what was said is that Trump is already waffling on a number of issues, one of which is his "wall". According to where I heard it (The Young Turks) he is now saying it will be more like a fence. A two layered fence, but just a fence.

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You got that news with your kool aid no doubt. What Trump said was that what was appropriate would be built. H said some places may not need anything because of terrain. Similarly, he said some places may only need a good fence rather than a wall. That's not waffling. That's being pragmatic, which I haven't heard anywhere else in politics in decades.

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Which is probably why men held women as property until they decided to give them rights. They gave up their rights and handed them to women. Now, as usual, it's the children who pay the

Exactly when are you referring to? One needs to look into historical and cultural context.

Imperial Rome saw women rising to argue, as lawyers, in the highest courts. One can argue that the Christianization of Europe with the concept of "original sin" and woman as the "vessels of iniquity" set back equality of the sexes.

It wasn't until the separation of church and state became a cultural meme to the majority of European heritage peoples that women regained ground in Occidental cultures. For near a hundred years; the U.S. has had legal statutes equalizing treatment of the sexes. Culturally, there are still concepts of what is proper division of acceptable behavior for the sexes found in our society. But, it remains that legal bars to the treatment of the sexes have faded to the point that equal opportunity is enforced. And no one ever "gave up rights and handed them to women". It was made legal code that there be no test for sex, national origin, or previous condition of servitude can be used to limit rights of a citizen of the United States. No one gave up anything. The pool of full citizens with the rights and responsibilities thereof grew larger. The only major difference in legal code as regards the sexes at the moment is that women cannot be conscripted for military service whereas any able bodied man between the ages of 18 and 45 may be called up for military service.

Human beings as "property" still exists as a criminal activity perpetrated on both sexes. But screaming about inconsequentials (i.e. "manspreading") just serves to cloud the issue of criminal persecution of people in human trafficking, honor killings, and genital mutilation.
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I am talking about the time when a women's life was controlled by her father until he handed over responsibility for her to her husband. She did't vote, didn't hold property, etc... and she obeyed him. Those days are gone... and now women can do what they want. Even murder their own child.

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We have always had abortion as an option, and have used it forever. owned or married, divorced and single. For several millennia.

dont be dense

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We have always had abortion as an option, and have used it forever. owned or married, divorced and single. For several millennia.

dont be dense

Not so freely as we do now.

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We have always had abortion as an option, and have used it forever. owned or married, divorced and single. For several millennia.

dont be dense

Not so freely as we do now.

Yes, medical technology has improved so that pregnant women dont die as often when they abort as they used to. Or in childbirth.
Medical technology can now save babies at 22 weeks and younger. But they still cant grow lungs very well at all.
34 years ago, they couldnt save babies at 24 weeks(under2lb in birthweight)
Medical Technology and Birth control have helped ensure They dont get pregnant as often as they used to.
They have rights they didnt used to have.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

Sorry A, it's NOT your body to have that option with.

When you can carry another life inside you, you'll have that option.

So then you see that abortion is killing a life and you assume it's such a small thing a woman should just snap a decision and have it done like a mani-peti?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

We have always had abortion as an option, and have used it forever. owned or married, divorced and single. For several millennia.

dont be dense

Not so freely as we do now.

Yes, medical technology has improved so that pregnant women dont die as often when they abort as they used to. Or in childbirth.
Medical technology can now save babies at 22 weeks and younger. But they still cant grow lungs very well at all.
34 years ago, they couldnt save babies at 24 weeks(under2lb in birthweight)
Medical Technology and Birth control have helped ensure They dont get pregnant as often as they used to.
They have rights they didnt used to have.

What i really don't understand is how they can live with themselves afterwards.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

We have always had abortion as an option, and have used it forever. owned or married, divorced and single. For several millennia.

dont be dense

Not so freely as we do now.

Yes, medical technology has improved so that pregnant women dont die as often when they abort as they used to. Or in childbirth.
Medical technology can now save babies at 22 weeks and younger. But they still cant grow lungs very well at all.
34 years ago, they couldnt save babies at 24 weeks(under2lb in birthweight)
Medical Technology and Birth control have helped ensure They dont get pregnant as often as they used to.
They have rights they didnt used to have.

What i really don't understand is how they can live with themselves afterwards.

Nah, I dont suppose you can.