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Greta75 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 11:41:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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He employs illegals and over stayers?

Yup.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-donald-trump-had-pay-1-million-hi/
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration

Trump hired a contractor to demolish an old building in midtown Manhattan to make way for Trump Tower. The contractor signed on workers from a local union and, to meet Trump’s tight deadline, also brought on 200 undocumented laborers from Poland dubbed the "Polish Brigade."

Trump is responsible for his contractor's hires?

I thought a contractor is outsourcing. So you pay that dude to fix your project.

I mean, if I paid a renovation contractor to renovate my house. Am I responsible if he employs illegal to renovate my house? Is it my responsibility to check IF his workers are legal or illegal?

I personally wouldn't even check.



Greta75 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 11:48:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

No Greta. It's not any sort of "hook up".

He is talking about taking advantage of the women because he has money and power and meeting them in a professional capacity.
Not a "hook up". Not in a social setting.
Professional - like that woman he met off the bus.
That wasn't a social "hook up" - that was something completely different.

And he was bragging that he always tried it on - kissing and groping.



And there are always men in office, trying to score with any female colleagues as possible too. And brag about it.

That is a professional setting.

I didn't get it from the video at all that he was bragging in a way where he could take advantage of them, but more like saying, it amazes him that, these women allow him to do these things was more of the tone. He was saying like, he even grab their pussy if he wanted to. Like in a tone of amazement!

You see, when he gets off the bus, and he asked the woman if he could have a hug, he asked her if this is okay? And then he tells her that, he is sure Melania would be okay with it. In HIS actions, he asked permission.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 12:17:09 PM)

Anything like that is just unprofessional.
In the western world, if you ever get caught, you are likely to get the sack.
It's called sexual harassment and a jailable offense.
I admit it does happen, but not as common as some like to think because of the risk of losing their jobs.

The only people that manage to get away with it are those that are rich and famous, because of their position in society.
But that doesn't make it right or justifiable either.

Try looking at the whole video - not the short clip.
It clearly shows he tried it and in one instance failed because she was a married woman.
It's not a matter of interpretation - he clearly admitted it.

There's no way, in anyone's eyes (even his own), that he sought any sort of permission.
He took advantage of his social position - and not in a good way.


And you have to remember, that for most people, they expect their politicians and country leaders to be on a much higher pedestal than ordinary folks.


Maybe in your country where you are overrun by shameful Muslim traditions, it is common, but not in the west (generally) - it is frowned upon.



PeonForHer -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 12:31:04 PM)

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Maybe in your country where you are overrun by shameful Muslim traditions, it is common, but not in the west (generally) - it is frowned upon.


I doubt that the pussy-grabbing story is going to play well for Trump's image in the mainly-Muslim world, FD. ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't going to have to work hard to make a Pres Trump look like the Beast incarnate.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 12:48:28 PM)

The thing is Peon, this sort of outlandish behaviour/attitude is rife in the Muslim community.
Males are taught that they can rule over females as part of their culture.
It's inherent. It becomes part of their nature.
What's worse is that the women are taught to accept it as 'normal'.

It's only very recently that countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India are even bothering to make token arrests for males molesting/raping/beating/maming and even killing women.
It happens on a horrendous scale on a daily basis over there.
It's been a part of their societal and cultural norms for hundreds of years.
And it's all down to the general ideology of Islam.
I know you consider me an Islamaphobe and that is the reason why.
Islam does not hold the same social values that most in the west have especially when it comes to women.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if many Muslim males are secretly cheering Trump for 'exercising his male superiority' over women as they would in their culture.



PeonForHer -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 1:17:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if many Muslim males are secretly cheering Trump for 'exercising his male superiority' over women as they would in their culture.



As I understand it, adherents to strict versions of Islam, while deeply sexist, still have a very particular code of behaviour when it comes to treatment of women. I've not heard that bragging about 'grabbing women by the pussy' would mesh nicely with that code.

Strewth. I can't imagine Trump talking to a Saudi prince. Even the thought of them in the same room together. 'A bull in a china shop' nowhere near covers it.



Greta75 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 1:25:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Anything like that is just unprofessional.
In the western world, if you ever get caught, you are likely to get the sack.

Seriously, this culture is more prevalent in the western world! It's not Asians I am hearing these stories from ya know. All white men from different nationalities working in MNCs.
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It's called sexual harassment and a jailable offense.
I admit it does happen, but not as common as some like to think because of the risk of losing their jobs.

It's only sexual harrassment if it's non-consensual.
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It clearly shows he tried it and in one instance failed because she was a married woman.
It's not a matter of interpretation - he clearly admitted it.

Yea he was interested in a married woman, tried his luck. Failed. But end of the day, it ends there. He respected her disinterest. He didn't attempt to rape her or force himself upon her.
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And you have to remember, that for most people, they expect their politicians and country leaders to be on a much higher pedestal than ordinary folks.

That is true, except it's between him and hillary. So he is the better choice. The other is dishonest and untrustworthy, way more than Trump.
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Maybe in your country where you are overrun by shameful Muslim traditions, it is common, but not in the west (generally) - it is frowned upon.

Actually, Muslim traditions, you aren't allowed to touch another woman period. Physical touch is unacceptable for an unmarried man or woman. In Malaysia, they jail couples without marriage certificate for holding hands.

And in Singapore, you get thrown to jail for just touching a woman's elbows. Many white tourists got in trouble in clubs for just touching an elbow. It's an instant hand cuff, thrown into a jail cell offense if the woman decide to call the police on you. So if any man even bump into any woman's elbow here, they better profusingly apologise. She can kick up a big fuss. And get him in trouble. We protect women very well much better than the western countries from any sexual harassment. That's the first thing I tell any new white tourist here. Don't hug, don't do the face kiss to kiss thingy. Just be very careful. Don't touch a woman, even at clubs or whatever. Even tapping her on the arm is a criminal offense if you did not get her approval first. If she is malicious, you are screwed. As you will be cuff and put behind bars until you prove your innocence.

At the same time, it keeps women safe from men attempting to touch her. It makes them terrified to touch women. Which is great! That's why a woman can walk naked in our main pubbing district without getting molested.



Wayward5oul -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 1:50:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It's only sexual harrassment if it's non-consensual.


False. If it is coerced it is sexual harassment as well. If the victim felt like they had no choice, which is what is being described here, it is sexual harassment.

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Yea he was interested in a married woman, tried his luck. Failed. But end of the day, it ends there. He respected her disinterest. He didn't attempt to rape her or force himself upon her.

But there are those that he has done that with. Some people have posted the links to those accounts on here, including myself. You choose to ignore them.

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That is true, except it's between him and hillary. So he is the better choice. The other is dishonest and untrustworthy, way more than Trump.


ALL the factchecker sites say otherwise.

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Actually, Muslim traditions, you aren't allowed to touch another woman period. Physical touch is unacceptable for an unmarried man or woman. In Malaysia, they jail couples without marriage certificate for holding hands.

And in Singapore, you get thrown to jail for just touching a woman's elbows. Many white tourists got in trouble in clubs for just touching an elbow. It's an instant hand cuff, thrown into a jail cell offense if the woman decide to call the police on you. So if any man even bump into any woman's elbow here, they better profusingly apologise.


And in the US grabbing a woman's crotch without first asking if she is okay with that is a crime. Even if the man apologizes, it is still assault. And that is exactly what Trump has admitted he said, and that is exactly what more than one woman has accused him of over the years.

But he is rich and powerful, so they were ignored or silenced.

Until now.





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 2:08:42 PM)

Trumps' boasts were of a non-consensual type.

You are soo smitten by him you can't see his faults and misogyny.

As for your assertion of women being protected, perhaps you need to read stories such as depicted HERE, HERE and HERE.
It seems that the ordeal for the woman is just as bad as it is here and many appear not to press charges rather than face the court process.
So it's not as easy as you seem to make it out to be.
Not only do they need to report it, they go thru numerous procedures just to get a conviction.



PeonForHer -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 4:09:42 PM)

FR

Now Paul Ryan's withdrawn his support. Lordy, what a farce.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 6:24:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Now Paul Ryan's withdrawn his support. Lordy, what a farce.



He hasn't withdrawn his endorsement of trump, he has just said that he isn't going to defend him anymore.



Greta75 -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 8:29:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It's only sexual harrassment if it's non-consensual.

False. If it is coerced it is sexual harassment as well. If the victim felt like they had no choice, which is what is being described here, it is sexual harassment.

Why would they have no choice? What was described by Trump doesn't sound like they have no choice, they could have rebuff Trump, like the married chick.
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But there are those that he has done that with. Some people have posted the links to those accounts on here, including myself. You choose to ignore them.

I have read one, and one of them was this woman who claims her boyfriend was doing business with Trump and Trump would touch her during business dinners? WTF? I can't remember if she said, it's been going on 15 months or 15 years. This was the one where she did eventually file a lawsuit. But come on! It's your boyfriend's business partner, why didn't you tell your boyfriend? And tolerate it for so long?
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And in the US grabbing a woman's crotch without first asking if she is okay with that is a crime. Even if the man apologizes, it is still assault. And that is exactly what Trump has admitted he said, and that is exactly what more than one woman has accused him of over the years.

But he is rich and powerful, so they were ignored or silenced.

Until now.

IF it was protected like my country, it doesn't matter if his rich or powerful. As I said, touching a woman is instant handcuffs and jail. Until proven innocent, which most of the time, probably not gonna happen. So clearly it's not that protected if he can get off, and women have file lawsuit INSTEAD of it being a criminal offense.
But end of the day, I don't believe he just touches them. He was just bragging. Because when he got off that bus, his actions with the female they were meeting, is more likely how he does it. HE asked permission.



MrRodgers -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 11:28:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

I find her attempts at spin quite hilarious.


Wait until she starts the war.

T^T

You and I both know that there is now (in the fine print maybe) a good false flag op or outright lie in store equally for either to...invade Iran. Why you fix on HRC for this a bit surprising when we both know that the power behind the throne will decide when and will supply just enough reason.



MrRodgers -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 11:29:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
From a US perspective, with them (ie, Trump) only seeing those BAD Mexicans, they are indeed 'all bad'.
So the left media has it correct.

And also since he is referring to illegal aliens. Technically in my country, we see ALL illegal aliens as criminals. They are committing a crime by entering a country illegally. That is a crime! They are criminals.
So yea, all illegal immigrants are criminals! That is actually factually correct.



Almost all (not quite all) illegal aliens enter legally. They then overstay their visas.



MrRodgers -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/10/2016 11:42:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Hillary will be bad for the country. Trump will be worse.

It really is a "lesser of two evils" scenario here. One can only hope she'll be gone after 4 years. The Republicans will put forward a real candidate next time and she has no hope against one of those.

Unless of course just enough people feel they 'are better off' (richer) then they are now. Recall, Reagan set the great repub criteria and has nothing to do with the country. The country only matters for campaign spin.



thompsonx -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/11/2016 4:44:20 AM)

ORIGINAL: Greta75
ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
He employs illegals and over stayers?
Yup.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-donald-trump-had-pay-1-million-hi/
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration

Trump hired a contractor to demolish an old building in midtown Manhattan to make way for Trump Tower. The contractor signed on workers from a local union and, to meet Trump’s tight deadline, also brought on 200 undocumented laborers from Poland dubbed the "Polish Brigade."

Trump is responsible for his contractor's hires?


Yes dumbass he is. It is the law in amerika and if you do not like it shove it up; your ass. This is not that third world shithole called singapore. You do not make the rules here we do.


I thought a contractor is outsourcing. So you pay that dude to fix your project.


It is clear that you do not think at all. Hiring a contractor is not outsourcing. You claim to have attended the "best" school system in the world yet you show constantly and consistantly just how phoquing stupid you are everytime you post.


I mean, if I paid a renovation contractor to renovate my house. Am I responsible if he employs illegal to renovate my house?


In idaho yes in that third world shithole called singapore yes also. I have posted the official govt. sites for that third world shithole called singapore concerning allowing illegal aliens into that third world shithole called singapore.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Is it my responsibility to check IF his workers are legal or illegal?


Yes

I personally wouldn't even check.

In amerika you would be subject to a $250k fine and 5 years in the federal prison for each illegal alien hired. In that third world shithole called singapore you would be subject to a fine, imporisonment and a major ass whipping.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



thompsonx -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/11/2016 4:56:29 AM)


ORIGINAL: tj444


par for the course, greta is wrong, not all illegal immigrants in the US entered illegally, in fact at least half entered on a visa (visitor visa, student visa, etc) and simply overstayed their visa, which in the US is a misdemeanor, just like jaywalking is..


Both those who overstay their visa and those who enter illegally commit a misdemeanor. There is, however, a major difference in the penalities for hireing illegal aliens of the two classes with the more serious penalities for hiring those who enter illegally. Those who enter illegally are restricted from legal reentry for a period of ten years. Jaywalking is an infraction not a misdemeanor



WhoreMods -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/11/2016 5:02:39 AM)

A good point, that. All of this crap about tighter border controls, monitoring student visas and the rest of it is just sticking a band aid on a huge weeping tumour. Taking punitive legal action against those employers who'd rather pay an illegal alien less than somebody whose entitled to work in their country would be a lot more effective than deporting chunks of their workforce every now and then. Big fines, or even the confiscation of all physical assets of any business that can't function legally would be a way to go about that. It's not like there aren't legal precedents for seizing the instrumentality of a crime, after all.



thompsonx -> RE: Perfect Blue Print for Trump to come back through Debates (10/11/2016 5:15:21 AM)

ORIGINAL: Greta75


And in Singapore, you get thrown to jail for just touching a woman's elbows. Many white tourists got in trouble in clubs for just touching an elbow. It's an instant hand cuff, thrown into a jail cell offense if the woman decide to call the police on you. So if any man even bump into any woman's elbow here, they better profusingly apologise.



I have looked at the criminal code for that third world shithole called singapore and cannot find any reference to such. Perhaps you could direct me to it. If you can't then we will have to treat your statements as total bullshit.

Even tapping her on the arm is a criminal offense if you did not get her approval first. If she is malicious, you are screwed. As you will be cuff and put behind bars until you prove your innocence.


Sounds like you are pedalling your bullshit again.



That's why a woman can walk naked in our main pubbing district without getting molested.

I have posted the law from that third world shithole called singapore that states public nudity is illegal.



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