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Termyn8or -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/29/2016 3:42:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 all of civil life is a balancing and reconciling act between total liberty and the competing structures in which civilization flourishes. we can "what if" or "what then" that until the cows come home and it doesn't change the essential nature of things. I am not saying anything different now (that is in my previous posts) than what has been said by many a prominent philosopher before me. most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving. given that, if I have to chose in the tension between the libertine and the conservative view of things, I am going to lean towards the latter with as much libertarian thrown in as possible. You kinda crossed a line there. First of all, if you get pregnant you either get off the stuff or have an abortion. If you canot get off the stuff then you NEED an abortion and one should be prescribed by a doctor. But then they should be easy to get, I think there should be abortomats where you put in a few bucks, stick your feet in the stirrups and in a few minutes you are no longer pregnant. If you can't get off the stuff what kid of kid are you going to raise ? Now actually, we drank all the time around my buddy's kids but did not get fucked up. No booze, just beer to keep the buzz mellow. Take the edge off. We worked, did some contracting. But we talked to the kids like human beings, not down to them and one is a work at home IT specialist and the other is a nurse. So the simple fact that we were drinking didn't seem to hurt them. People who are real addict are another thing.. They want to get out of it. One of my buddies, with whom I did alot of partying said it best - it is an escape. It is just a matter of how much you want to escape. A very long time ago I used to like to get seriously fucked up, but later I learned to enjoy the buzz at a lower level and remain functional. I agree that it should be unlawful to get too drunk or high to take care of kids if you have to take care of kids. But that does not mean to make the drugs or alcohol illegal in and of itself. If you are single, footloose and fancy free and don't have to drive anywhere, go ahead and get so wasted you can't even stand up. Go ahead and OD o this new and stronger smack courtesy of your government and military. I simply don't care. But if you have responsibilities take care of them. Some of us have been careful not to create them, like for example using condoms. T^T

vincentML -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/29/2016 4:03:39 PM)
quote: because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse. But, this is the same argument more or less used by the Christian Temperance League when advocating the prohibition of alcohol. The victims were the wives and children of the laborers who went to the saloons. And this as well . . . quote: most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving.

tweakabelle -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/29/2016 5:28:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Inasmuch as I understand Tweakabelle posts crap like this so she can legitimise her crack-head lifestyle Your understanding of things is (as usual) ridiculously wrong. I don't use crack you vulgar moron. I certainly don't have anything remotely like a "crack-head lifestyle". While this claim is utterly false it does adhere to the standards of falseness and personal vilification you have set for yourself and maintain religiously in your posts. Your posts are so false so often that the description "crack-head lifestyle" would seem far more likely to apply to your lifestyle than mine.

Termyn8or -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/29/2016 9:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse. But, this is the same argument more or less used by the Christian Temperance League when advocating the prohibition of alcohol. The victims were the wives and children of the laborers who went to the saloons. And this as well . . . quote: most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving. Still doesn't give them the right. If a Momma dog refuses to feed some of her pups, or decides to eat them, does the government have the right to put the dog in jail ? So we don't even have the same rights as dogs ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/30/2016 11:38:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Inasmuch as I understand Tweakabelle posts crap like this so she can legitimise her crack-head lifestyle Your understanding of things is (as usual) ridiculously wrong. I don't use crack you vulgar moron. I certainly don't have anything remotely like a "crack-head lifestyle". While this claim is utterly false it does adhere to the standards of falseness and personal vilification you have set for yourself and maintain religiously in your posts. Your posts are so false so often that the description "crack-head lifestyle" would seem far more likely to apply to your lifestyle than mine. Another thing is that crackheads are not on a forum like this. Last time I hung around with crackheads they did nothing but look for more crack. Sitting at the table with razor blades trying to pick up those last little molecules of the shit. Nobody talking, no music. Sheets up on the windows. That is not a party. I talked to a heroin addict some years ago. He told me that after while you run out of money and you have to steal just to get enough not to be sick. There is no more buzz. Crack and coke actually leave chemicals in your blood that make you want more, I suspect the same is true of smack. I have smoked opium, which is basically the same chemical but not as refined. If you get the good stuff the buzz is pretty hood though a little too mellow for some. I would never consider smack because I won't stick a needle in my arm. Now don't get me wrong, I am not skiddish about such things. Hell I think I could drink blood. I will eat raw meat. But sticking a needle in your arm to get high I believe is a step I would never want to take. If smoking it isn't good enough fukit. But really, unless they are very wealthy, serious drug addicts are not usually on the internet at all, let alone participating in political discussions. His post was completely fucking stupid. T^T

vincentML -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/30/2016 4:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse. But, this is the same argument more or less used by the Christian Temperance League when advocating the prohibition of alcohol. The victims were the wives and children of the laborers who went to the saloons. And this as well . . . quote: most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving. Still doesn't give them the right. If a Momma dog refuses to feed some of her pups, or decides to eat them, does the government have the right to put the dog in jail ? So we don't even have the same rights as dogs ? T^T You misunderstood my point. I was not supporting government prohibition on drugs, alcohol, etc. I simply was pointing out that those were the arguments used by Prohibitionists. If a human mom started eating her children . . . umm. . . yeah, somebody should do something pretty damn quick. As for the dog . . . I would shoot the bitch. [:D]

DominantWrestler -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/30/2016 6:05:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "If it takes government level skullduggery to move large quantities of heroin into your country, how was anybody able to get hold of the stuff before the invasion of Afghanistan?" Poppies grow other places of course. Also they used to cut the smack, and now they don't cut it as much which is why people are dying. They used to do X cc. of it and do the same amount but it is four times as pure. Like cracking cocaine, instead of buying crack, back in the 1980s we used to crack it ourselves, the more you got the better the coke was. You are talking to someone who knows all about most drugs, and knows people who used to fly in a plane to go get weed. I know someone, I helped him set up his grow room and he got busted selling an ounce and beat them on appeal and was considering suing them to get his hydroponic equipment back. Another got busted with 200 fucking pounds, and with connections only did like a year. Another was given a rental car to take down to Texas with a trunkfull of stuff and they took the trunk key and mailed it in advance and gave him another trunk key. Unfortunately for him, that other key actually worked and he got busted. Our people asked the best lawyer they could find "Do you like to golf ?" and he said "What, are you going to buy me a set of golf clubs ?" and they said "No, you get this fixed we'll buy you a golf course". You are talking to someone who knows this industry very well. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about on the subject. I've been involved with smuggling drugs into prisons, WITHOUT the help of the guards, which is the easy way. We did it the hard way. The government brings almost all the heroin into this country, grown in Afghanistan after the Taliban was put down who would kill you for growing poppies for opiate production. I know this for a fact. The only time the US government REALLY tried to stop drugs was under Gerald Ford, who was not elected but decided to spray Mexican pot fields with paraquat. They want you to do drugs and then to bust you for it. It justifies their budget. You are not qualified to comment on this subject, I can tell. T^T I like this post Termyn8tor When we went into Afghanistan, we released numerous people involved in the drug trade Do you remember the name of the drug lord that was our main informer in Afghanistan that conveniently died just before or after the invasion? I haven't read into it in so long I forgot the guy's name

blacksword404 -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/30/2016 11:47:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods As far as the Feds go, didn't the CIA used to raise a lot of its revenue from cocaine sales? Yes, but I think they did it with expensive suits on. So that makes it ok.

PeonForHer -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 2:07:25 AM)
quote: I don't use crack you vulgar moron. I certainly don't have anything remotely like a "crack-head lifestyle". About as likely as your being a hammer-thrower at the Olympics. ;)

DesideriScuri -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 2:46:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 all of civil life is a balancing and reconciling act between total liberty and the competing structures in which civilization flourishes. we can "what if" or "what then" that until the cows come home and it doesn't change the essential nature of things. I am not saying anything different now (that is in my previous posts) than what has been said by many a prominent philosopher before me. most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving. given that, if I have to chose in the tension between the libertine and the conservative view of things, I am going to lean towards the latter with as much libertarian thrown in as possible. Yes, we can 'what if' all we want. But, we can only make one choice and follow that to it's results. We chose to ban a whole bunch of drugs. It hasn't curbed it's use/abuse. Considering alcohol is not a banned substance, FAS prevention and drunk driving isn't a basis for prohibition. Obviously, we can't - at this time, to my knowledge - go back and change decisions. We don't know what effects not banning, but regulating, drugs would have on domestic abuse, crack-babies, drugged driving, etc. That's all just speculation based on the abuse of today, where these drugs aren't regulated (for purity, content, etc.).

thishereboi -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 3:22:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Problem people do not realize is that people want to get high and/or drunk, or semi-drunk. Who the fuck is anyone else to tell them what to do ? And I also believe there must be personal responsibility. Say you are driving and intoxicated, well since you willfully got intoxicated and then put that key in the ignition, if you are in an at fault accident it is considered willful and premeditated. Fender bender is vandalism, any injuries (but I don't mean a broken fingernail) are assault and battery, and if a death occurs it is first degree murder. But they make more money stopping you because one taillight is brighter than the other, you are totally coherent and just had a couple beers with dinner they rip you off for a couple of grand. Without a victim, how is there a crime ? T^T because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse. if we somehow think that society and other people would be okay if all of a sudden drugs were legal---I cannot envision a world where that actually occurs. Two things. If I don't cause any trouble, pay my bills and work i is none of your fucking business what I take into my body. And, prohibition has not worked at all. It didn't even work with a fucking Constitutional amendment, remember ? People are going to do what the fuck they want in this country. We were born and bred like that, with all this talk of freedom. Are you saying that was all a lie ? I want a beer and a joint, and I am 100 miles away from you. You got nothing to say about it. Even if I am right nextdoor you got nothing to say about it. And neither does the government. Period. T^T And as long as you continue to pay your own fucking bills, I have no problems with you drinking or drugging yourself to death. It's the ones who show up at the er with multiple problems due to drinking and taking drugs and then expect the government to foot their hospital bill because while they have no problems coming up with cash to do 10 bags of heroin a day, they can't seem to raise enough to feed themselves or have a roof over their heads. Then we clean them up for a few days and send them back out onto the street to slowly kill themselves a bit more before they come back and repeat the process.

Awareness -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 6:52:05 AM)
stretches And that, my friends, is what happens when you manipulate a nutty, man-hating feminist in the morning. You get to smell her bleeding vagina. It smells like victory.

PeonForHer -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 7:29:48 AM)
Coincidentally, whenever I see you post I smell a massive, unwashed arse

Awareness -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 7:34:31 AM)
Yes, I gather male subs don't have much in the way of options, so that's apparently the best you can do. Man up and your options will increase, dude.

PeonForHer -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (8/31/2016 3:37:00 PM)
I'm not interested in any of that species of old horseshit, A. I don't have to try to be a man, because I already am one. Thus, whatever I do is manly, because I'm a man. And I do enough bonking with women for my requirements - though thank you for your concern. [:)]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (9/1/2016 12:49:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi And as long as you continue to pay your own fucking bills, I have no problems with you drinking or drugging yourself to death. It's the ones who show up at the er with multiple problems due to drinking and taking drugs and then expect the government to foot their hospital bill because while they have no problems coming up with cash to do 10 bags of heroin a day, they can't seem to raise enough to feed themselves or have a roof over their heads. Then we clean them up for a few days and send them back out onto the street to slowly kill themselves a bit more before they come back and repeat the process. And that's what I meant by having the system changed. By force of law, you have ER's not being allowed to turn patients away without treatment (exigent circumstances excepted). All it does (in these cases) is raise the cost for the rest of us, as hospitals can claim it's hurting the bottom line, while also claiming it as "charity care" for tax purposes. By legislation, we have been linked together in ways that, I would argue, shouldn't be. Thereby, making most things a "public-as-a-whole" issue, to which bounty would have no problem ceding control to government.

Lucylastic -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (9/1/2016 6:02:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness stretches And that, my friends, is what happens when you manipulate a nutty, man-hating feminist in the morning. You get to smell her bleeding vagina. It smells like victory. lol Only a woman who has had a late period and doesnt want to be pregnant feels victory in the smell of a bleeding vagina.... yanno, we women tend to have five days of bleeding vajs every month for about 40 years(give or take a few) That you think you accomplished anything beyond making yourself look like a gangrenous ballsack is hilarious.

WhoreMods -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (9/1/2016 7:50:46 AM)
What, you think his balls are so blue from neglect that they've shifted down the spectrum and come out green?

Awareness -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (9/1/2016 11:23:30 AM)
Amazing. Lanced four festering boils of self-loathing with two posts. That's gotta be some kind of record. I just wish you fuckwits would at least try and exhibit some kind of individuality - this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

WhoreMods -> RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' (9/1/2016 11:26:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Amazing. Lanced four festering boils of self-loathing with two posts. That's gotta be some kind of record. I just wish you fuckwits would at least try and exhibit some kind of individuality - this is like shooting fish in a barrel. [img]https://8363mtrandblondeotaku.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/irony.jpg[/img]

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