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Greta75 -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 5:14:39 PM)

In Singapore, we have the problem of Chinese "racist" towards Chinese. Like we don't like Hong Kong or China Chinese, but we love Taiwanese Chinese ha! Then again Hong Kong Chinese dislike China Chinese too!

So our term for that is xenophobia. And no longer referred to as racism lol since we're all the same colour.

I think real racism is when someone wants the extinction of a certain race. That is what racism means to me.

Other than that, it's mostly just xenophobia. And not racism, even if it's different colour because different colours comes with different cultures. And some cultures are seriously bloody annoying!

Just take a walk in Beijing city, and you'll see how everybody just slams into you without a word, when they wanna walk pass you. It's normal behaviour there, but piss the hell outta me!




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 5:40:56 PM)

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I think real racism is when someone wants the extinction of a certain race.

Ah well that's where you are mistaken. Racism is assigning non-physical (intellectual, moral, etc.) attributes to people on the basis of their race. So if I say that Asians are inherently good at math that is racist, just like saying that Asians can't drive worth shit. Both are equally racist, even though one is complimentary and the other is not.

See, Racism is not always derogatory, but it is always unfair as it denies a person their individuality, it reduces us all to a set of stereotypes on the basis of our appearance. And that is why it is wrong, that is why we must all work to overcome our natural tendency to divide the world into "us" and "them", because if we do not, then we are denying other people their most valuable and vital aspect; their individuality.

Also those racial stereotypes are almost always wrong




dcnovice -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 5:50:14 PM)

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I am firmly convinced that all people are inherently racist, and the best that can be said of any given person is that they recognize their inherent and cultural biases and do their best to overcome them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM [:)]




Greta75 -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 5:51:00 PM)

Racial stereotypes are seldom wrong in my opinion.

Because it's tag to the culture they come from.

And what they practice in their culture is real.

Asians are really terrible drivers!

Come and drive in Asia and see for yourself.

I drive in Australia and I already feel the difference.





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 5:59:20 PM)

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Just take a walk in Beijing city, and you'll see how everybody just slams into you without a word, when they wanna walk pass you. It's normal behaviour there, but piss the hell outta me!

That is not racial, that is cultural. Just as the idea that Canadians are polite. We're noyt actually any more polite than anybody else, we just have a culture that promotes the idea of superficial politeness to strangers as a method of avoiding confrontation. here's another example of a cultural thing. In the UK (or at least in London), it is for some reason considered rude to make eye contact with strangers on the underground, to the point that they have posters reminding people not to do that. Yet here in Canada it is considered polite to do so, to make eye contact and acknowledge other people. Same action, very different cultural interpretations.
While it is generally popular to say that there is always some truth to any stereotype, the thing is that that truth is based on culture and/or situation and not race.
Take the very prevalent racial stereotype in Canada that First nations people are somehow prone to alcoholism and drug addiction. Well there is a factual basis for that stereotype, alcohol and drug abuse are far more prevelent in the First nations population than in any other. However the reason is not racial, meaning it is not a result of some race-based DNA factor, but rather it is situational. The majority of the First nations people grow up and live in utterly dead end communities on reserves, which are, by design, located on the least valuable and useful land, they are generally remote and poorly serviced (even with such generally accepted as universal things as electricity or running water), with underfunded fourth rate schools and no real economic opportunities. So what the fuck else are people going to do other than get drunk or stoned to escape the crushing poverty and lack of any real opportunity.
In the First Nations bands located in places like Southern Ontario, where they are more fully integrated into the modern world, they do not have these same alcohol.drug issues, or at least not to a degree substantially different from their neighbouring non-native communities.

The same alcohol/drug issues are apparent in all marginalized populations, regardless of their race, therefore it is clearly not a racially based issue, and yet in the eyes and minds of each dominant culture, the alcohol/drug issues of their own particuular marginalized racial group is deemed a racial stereotype.




kdsub -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 5:59:51 PM)

lol that's good DC... I sure see myself that way... but i fight it.

Butch




Greta75 -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 7:13:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
That is not racial, that is cultural.

And my point is, culture can be very racially based. IF a majority of a specific race come from a certain culture. I find this the most true with South Indians. Doesn't matter if they are from Australia, America or UK. Brought up in western culture. There is something Indian cultural about them that remains exactly the same as the Indians from India, specifically in the way they think of women and sex.

Same with Chinese people. What is innately Chinese is materialism regardless where they grew up. I mean, it's seriously no coincidence that generally regardless which country chinese people camp in, they are rather successful minorities, because of their obsession with growing money. And I believe they have the gene most prone to gambling addictions as well.

With every group behaviour, there will always be exceptions in all cases. But stereotypes are based on large group similar behaviours. What is the common denominator. And alot of times, I find it accurate.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 8:41:17 PM)

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And my point is, culture can be very racially based

And you are wrong, and even thinking so is by definition racist.
However, that you are a racist is not in dispute, you have demonstrated it time and time again. You are a racist Greta, not in my opinion, but by the definition of the word.




Greta75 -> RE: Is this racist? (5/27/2016 9:46:04 PM)

I disagree that I am racist. Just because I believe in stereotypes. Which is usually ends up to be true anyway in my personal experiences.

But on the other hand, I am able to be good friends with different races who does not meet the negative stereotype of their race.

I don't consider that racist.

To me racism is when you completely will refuse to have anything to do with a person just because of the colour of their skin and not even giving them a chance to prove that, they aren't the typical negative stereotype.

End of the day, I judge each individual by merit of their actions and personal records. But to discredit certain cultural unsavoury habits that came from a specific race is kinda just, not being honest and just all about being politically correct.







ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Is this racist? (5/28/2016 9:58:21 AM)

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I disagree that I am racist.

You are wrong.
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Just because I believe in stereotypes.

Which makes you a racist.




thompsonx -> RE: Is this racist? (5/28/2016 11:18:02 AM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75


Same with Chinese people. What is innately Chinese is materialism regardless where they grew up. I mean, it's seriously no coincidence that generally regardless which country chinese people camp in, they are rather successful minorities, because of their obsession with growing money. And I believe they have the gene most prone to gambling addictions as well.

Lao tzu confucius and mencius are three well known chinese guys who would say you are full of shit as usual.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




Greta75 -> RE: Is this racist? (5/28/2016 4:07:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Lao tzu confucius and mencius are three well known chinese guys who would say you are full of shit as usual.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Trying to say that those people you name are typical chinese is like trying to say Jesus is a typical caucasian. We all know most Caucasians couldn't live up to Jesus standards.
You pick saints.




thompsonx -> RE: Is this racist? (5/28/2016 5:15:49 PM)

ORIGINAL: Greta75

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Lao tzu confucius and mencius are three well known chinese guys who would say you are full of shit as usual.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Trying to say that those people you name are typical chinese

"Those people" are the bassis of chinese thought.
Jesus you are phoquing stuupid.



is like trying to say Jesus is a typical caucasian.

Jesus was a gay,black,hippie, jew...not caucasian.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid










Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Is this racist? (5/28/2016 5:29:56 PM)

It's pretty clear these women want a big black buck.




MariaB -> RE: Is this racist? (5/29/2016 4:20:09 AM)

White people may generally find this funny but how do black people react to it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pJKVrQ6SdE




DesideriScuri -> RE: Is this racist? (5/29/2016 12:30:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
Is it racist? Yeah probably. Is it cute? Fuck yeah.


I showed the ad to a black guy at work. He agreed with me that it was racist (yes, it is racist). I also showed him the Italian one where the guy gets shoved into the wash machine. He still said it was racist.

And, like you and I, he also found them funny, even though they are racist.




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